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Subject: Re: US permit
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Hi Adam and all,

Under the general permit, seeds are still allowed, but they absolutely MU=ST
have a phyto to come in under the general plant import permit.  The rule
was apparently always on the books, but was not enforced until some time
after 9/11.   There is an officially recognized permit classification now=,
since about 4 years ago, for small batches of seeds only, the "Small Lots
of Seeds" permit.

If you want to have seeds sent to you without a phyto, they MUST be sent
under the "Small Lots of Seeds" permit.  The requirement for a phyto for
importing seeds went into effect about 5 or 6 years ago.  A consortium of
plant societies, led by Joyce Fingerut, negotiated the creation of the
"Small Lots of Seeds" permit to avoid the requirement for a phyto.

There is no doubt whatever about the rules as I've been stating them.  Th=e
seeds sent under the old general plant import permit are going to be eith=er
returned to the sender or destroyed, unless they are accompanied by a
phyto.  There are specific directions in the USDA/APHIS web site for
applying to the "Small Lots of Seeds" permit.

Jim

At 04:14 PM 3/17/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Jim.
>
>
>  It may be that they've changed the law or written new rules governing
> the application of the law (and it seems that they have) , but Small Lo=ts
> of seeds, or seeds  didn't historically  require a permit other than th=e
> general one.   The applicable law as written already governed that
> eventuality and was subsumed under 319.37-3. et seq. as of 1995, as an
> exception,.   But thanks for the info.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields at INDY.NET>
>To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:33 PM
>Subject: Re: US permit
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I think you will find that the regular plant import permit, which cover=s
>>plants, bulbs, and seeds, ALWAYS requires a phytosanitary certificate.
>>
>>The Small Lots of Seeds (SLS) permit covers ONLY seeds, never plants or
>>bulbs, and does NOT requite a phyto.
>>
>>These are two separate and distinct entities.  You need to apply
>>separately for each.
>>
>>Jim Shields
>>
>>
>>At 12:07 PM 3/17/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>>>=EF=BB=BF
>>>Neil?  Did you ever talk to Carolyn Fitzgerald herself?  I seem to be
>>>facing the same situation that you had.  They've apparently changed th=e
>>>requirements for importation and cannot seem to understand that the
>>>import permit governing plants and plant parts covers seed also.. The
>>>APHIS office's right hand doesn't know whatr the left hand does. And
>>>many people there  seem to think in either/or terms rather than
>>>both/and, or can't manage the idea that the basic permit covers seed
>>>even though it says so and specifies.
>>>
>>>I'm almost ready to give up, even though I've had a permit since 1958.
>>>But I hate to be flummoxed by something like this and give
>>>up.  ..  However, incompetence and bureaucratized ignorance  is nearly
>>>impossible to overcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:njorgen at COMCAST.NET>Neil jorgensen
>>>To: <mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
>>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: US permit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope you all have better luck with the USDA  than  I did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Three years ago, I drove 40 miles each way to the nearest USDA office =to
>>>apply for importation permit.  Told the person I talked to that I just
>>>wanted to import a few seeds to for my own use
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sent in the application and received, I think, two pages of the yellow
>>>and green permits, some of which I sent off to Eric.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Received my seeds close to two months after Eric mailed them, after
>>>several telephone calls both to Carolyn Fitzgerald and to the plant
>>>quarantine office at the P.O.E.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Last year I tried again and, after waiting for quite awhile, was
>>>informed that I in fact had been sent the wrong type of permit and tha=t
>>>I had to apply all over again, while in the meantime, we were well int=o
>>>spring, and my seed shipment was gathering dust at the P.O.E.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>So by that time I decided that life was too short, and maybe there wer=e
>>>less complicated genera to specialize in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA
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