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From: Adam Fikso <adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET>
Subject: Re: US permit
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Hello Jim.

It may be that they've changed the law or written new rules governing t=he
application of the law (and it seems that they have) , but Small Lots of
seeds, or seeds  didn't historically  require a permit other than the
general one.   The applicable law as written already governed that
eventuality and was subsumed under 319.37-3. et seq. as of 1995, as an
exception,.   But thanks for the info.

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields at INDY.NET>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: US permit

> Hi all,
>
> I think you will find that the regular plant import permit, which cover=s
> plants, bulbs, and seeds, ALWAYS requires a phytosanitary certificate.
>
> The Small Lots of Seeds (SLS) permit covers ONLY seeds, never plants or
> bulbs, and does NOT requite a phyto.
>
> These are two separate and distinct entities.  You need to apply
> separately for each.
>
> Jim Shields
>
>
> At 12:07 PM 3/17/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>>=EF=BB=BF
>>Neil?  Did you ever talk to Carolyn Fitzgerald herself?  I seem to be
>>facing the same situation that you had.  They've apparently changed the
>>requirements for importation and cannot seem to understand that the imp=ort
>>permit governing plants and plant parts covers seed also.. The APHIS
>>office's right hand doesn't know whatr the left hand does. And many peo=ple
>>there  seem to think in either/or terms rather than both/and, or can't
>>manage the idea that the basic permit covers seed even though it says s=o
>>and specifies.
>>
>>I'm almost ready to give up, even though I've had a permit since 1958. =But
>>I hate to be flummoxed by something like this and give up.  ..  However=,
>>incompetence and bureaucratized ignorance  is nearly impossible to
>>overcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:njorgen at COMCAST.NET>Neil jorgensen
>>To: <mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:58 PM
>>Subject: Re: US permit
>>
>>
>>
>>I hope you all have better luck with the USDA  than  I did.
>>
>>
>>
>>Three years ago, I drove 40 miles each way to the nearest USDA office t=o
>>apply for importation permit.  Told the person I talked to that I just
>>wanted to import a few seeds to for my own use
>>
>>
>>
>>Sent in the application and received, I think, two pages of the yellow =and
>>green permits, some of which I sent off to Eric.
>>
>>
>>
>>Received my seeds close to two months after Eric mailed them, after
>>several telephone calls both to Carolyn Fitzgerald and to the plant
>>quarantine office at the P.O.E.
>>
>>
>>
>>Last year I tried again and, after waiting for quite awhile, was inform=ed
>>that I in fact had been sent the wrong type of permit and that I had to
>>apply all over again, while in the meantime, we were well into spring, =and
>>my seed shipment was gathering dust at the P.O.E.
>>
>>
>>
>>So by that time I decided that life was too short, and maybe there were
>>less complicated genera to specialize in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>n
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