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Hi all,

I think you will find that the regular plant import permit, which covers
plants, bulbs, and seeds, ALWAYS requires a phytosanitary certificate.

The Small Lots of Seeds (SLS) permit covers ONLY seeds, never plants or
bulbs, and does NOT requite a phyto.

These are two separate and distinct entities.  You need to apply separate=ly
for each.

Jim Shields


At 12:07 PM 3/17/2009 -0500, you wrote:
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>Neil?  Did you ever talk to Carolyn Fitzgerald herself?  I seem to be
>facing the same situation that you had.  They've apparently changed the
>requirements for importation and cannot seem to understand that the impo=rt
>permit governing plants and plant parts covers seed also.. The APHIS
>office's right hand doesn't know whatr the left hand does. And many peop=le
>there  seem to think in either/or terms rather than both/and, or can't
>manage the idea that the basic permit covers seed even though it says so
>and specifies.
>
>I'm almost ready to give up, even though I've had a permit since 1958. B=ut
>I hate to be flummoxed by something like this and give up.  ..  However,
>incompetence and bureaucratized ignorance  is nearly impossible to overc=ome.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:njorgen at COMCAST.NET>Neil jorgensen
>To: <mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:58 PM
>Subject: Re: US permit
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>I hope you all have better luck with the USDA  than  I did.
>
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>Three years ago, I drove 40 miles each way to the nearest USDA office to
>apply for importation permit.  Told the person I talked to that I just
>wanted to import a few seeds to for my own use
>
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>Sent in the application and received, I think, two pages of the yellow a=nd
>green permits, some of which I sent off to Eric.
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>Received my seeds close to two months after Eric mailed them, after
>several telephone calls both to Carolyn Fitzgerald and to the plant
>quarantine office at the P.O.E.
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>Last year I tried again and, after waiting for quite awhile, was informe=d
>that I in fact had been sent the wrong type of permit and that I had to
>apply all over again, while in the meantime, we were well into spring, a=nd
>my seed shipment was gathering dust at the P.O.E.
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>So by that time I decided that life was too short, and maybe there were
>less complicated genera to specialize in.
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