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Neil?  Did you ever talk to Carolyn Fitzgerald herself?  I seem to be =
facing the same situation that you had.  They've apparently changed the =
requirements for importation and cannot seem to understand that the =
import permit governing plants and plant parts covers seed also.. The =
APHIS office's right hand doesn't know whatr the left hand does. And =
many people there  seem to think in either/or terms rather than =
both/and, or can't manage the idea that the basic permit covers seed =
even though it says so and specifies.


I'm almost ready to give up, even though I've had a permit since 1958. =
But I hate to be flummoxed by something like this and give up.  ..  =
However, incompetence and bureaucratized ignorance  is nearly impossible ==
to overcome.

 



 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Neil jorgensen 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: US permit



I hope you all have better luck with the USDA  than  I did.   



Three years ago, I drove 40 miles each way to the nearest USDA office =
to apply for importation permit.  Told the person I talked to that I =
just wanted to import a few seeds to for my own use



Sent in the application and received, I think, two pages of the yellow ==
and green permits, some of which I sent off to Eric.

 

Received my seeds close to two months after Eric mailed them, after =
several telephone calls both to Carolyn Fitzgerald and to the plant =
quarantine office at the P.O.E.



Last year I tried again and, after waiting for quite awhile, was =
informed that I in fact had been sent the wrong type of permit and that =
I had to apply all over again, while in the meantime, we were well into =
spring, and my seed shipment was gathering dust at the P.O.E.



So by that time I decided that life was too short, and maybe there =
were less complicated genera to specialize in.  





n

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<DIV>Neil?&nbsp; Did you ever talk to Carolyn Fitzgerald herself?&nbsp; =
I seem 
to be facing the same situation that you had.&nbsp; They've apparently =
changed 
the requirements for importation and cannot seem to understand that the =
import 
permit governing plants and plant parts covers seed also.. The APHIS =
office's 
right hand doesn't know whatr the left hand does. And many people 
there&nbsp;&nbsp;seem to think in either/or terms rather than both/and, =
or can't 
manage the idea that the basic permit covers seed even though it says so ==
and 
specifies.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm almost ready to give up, even though I've had a permit since =
1958. But 
I hate to be flummoxed by something like this and give up.&nbsp; =
..&nbsp; 
However, incompetence and bureaucratized ignorance &nbsp;is nearly =
impossible to 
overcome.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=njorgen at COMCAST.NET =
href="mailto:njorgen at COMCAST.NET">Neil 
jorgensen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 16, 2009 =
1:58 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: US permit</DIV>
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<P><BR>I hope you all have better luck with the USDA&nbsp; than&nbsp;= 
I&nbsp;did.&nbsp;&nbsp; </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Three years ago, I drove 40 miles each way to the nearest USDA =
office 
to&nbsp;apply for importation permit.&nbsp; Told the person I talked =
to that I 
just wanted to import a few seeds to for my own use</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Sent in the application and&nbsp;received, I think, two pages of =
the yellow 
and green permits,&nbsp;some of which I sent off to Eric.</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </P>
<P>Received my seeds close to two months after Eric mailed =
them,&nbsp;after 
several telephone calls both to&nbsp;Carolyn Fitzgerald&nbsp;and to =
the plant 
quarantine&nbsp;office at the P.O.E.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Last year I tried again&nbsp;and, after waiting for&nbsp;quite =
awhile, was 
informed&nbsp;that I in fact&nbsp;had been&nbsp;sent the wrong type of ==
permit 
and that I had to apply all over again, while in the meantime, we were ==
well 
into spring, and my seed shipment was gathering dust at the P.O.E.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>So by that time I decided that life was too short, and maybe there =
were 
less complicated genera to specialize in.&nbsp; </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
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