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Yes... :-( I have 3 of them.... (some rhododendrons do survive..) and =
also chestnut is not easy.
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From: Steve Hatfield
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Hardiness List - was New member
Im sure nothing at all grows under a walnut tree.
Steve
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That' s correct I live in north Italy between zone 7 and 8 but here =
the Himalayan plants (I don't have arisaemas long enough to say..) do =
much better then the Japanese... We have very short winters with =
sometimes lot of snow but also dry periods and very warm days in the =
middle of winter...One question.... I noticed that my plants (most wild =
orchids and a couple of aroids) do grow better under certain trees and =
won't grow at all under others, does anybody know if there are some type ==
of trees that arisaemas like speciosum and galeatum can't stand?
Mary
----- Original Message -----
From: Erick Adams
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:38 PM
Subject: Hardiness List - was New member
A discussion about what people grow where & how sounds good, but a =
simple list
of average minimum temperature tolerances doesn't begin to cover all ==
the permutations involved.
An example would be the species from the Himalayas. Several of them ==
are technically winter hardy
for USDA zones 5 or 6, but I find them harder to grow outdoors than =
equally cold tolerant Japanese species.
The difference: I have dry summers & wet winters with little or no =
snow cover, basically the opposite
conditions the Himalayan species enjoy.
About 15 years ago I bought a Trochodendron aralioides seedling. =
The common Hardiness rating at the time was zone 8.
It's still alive and happy here in zone 6A and now I believe it's =
listed as zone 5. A few years back we had about three
years where I could overwinter typically zone 7 plants outdoors =
without any additional contrivances. Then things went
back to normal and they all croaked. So I don't put too much stock =
in the USDA zones.
-erick
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes... :-( I have 3 of them.... (som=e =
rhododendrons
do survive..) and also chestnut is not easy.</FONT></DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=stevehatfield at COMCAST.NET
href="mailto:stevehatfield at COMCAST.NET">Steve Hatfield</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 13, 2009 =
10:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hardiness List - ==
was New
member</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Im sure =
nothing
at all grows under a walnut tree.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Steve<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMIL=Y: =
Tahoma">
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Arisaema Enthusiast Group</st1:PersonName=> =
(AEG)
Discussion List (and other hardy Aroids) =
[mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>C&T=
projects<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
Friday, March
13, 2009 5:19 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=<B=
R><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Hardiness List - ==
was New
member</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That' s correct I live ==
in north
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Italy</st1:place></st1:country-region> between zone 7 and==
8 but here
the Himalayan plants (I don't have arisaemas long enough to say..) do =
much
better then the Japanese... We have very short winters with sometimes =
lot of
snow but also dry periods and very warm days in the middle of =
winter...One
question.... I noticed that my plants (most wild orchids and a couple =
of
aroids) do grow better under certain trees and won't grow at all under ==
others,
does anybody know if there are some type of trees that arisaemas like=
speciosum and galeatum can't stand?</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=Verdana
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mary</SPAN></FONT><FONT=
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=LY: =
Arial"> <A
title=rogthegoat at HOTMAIL.COM =
href="mailto:rogthegoat at HOTMAIL.COM">Erick
Adams</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Arial"> <A
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=LY: =
Arial"> Friday,
March 13, 2009 9:38 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=LY: =
Arial">
Hardiness List - was New member<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT =
face=Verdana
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><B=R>A =
discussion
about what people grow where & how sounds good, but a simple =
list
<BR>of average minimum temperature tolerances doesn't =
begin to
cover all the permutations involved. <BR> <BR>An example =
would be
the species from the <st1:place
w:st="on">Himalayas</st1:place>. Several of them are =
technically
winter hardy<BR>for USDA zones 5 or 6, but I find them =
harder to
grow outdoors than equally cold tolerant Japanese species. =
<BR>The
difference: I have dry summers & wet winters with little or no =
snow
cover, basically the opposite<BR>conditions the Himalayan species=2=0
enjoy.<BR> <BR>About 15 years ago I bought a Trochodendron =
aralioides
seedling. The common Hardiness rating at the time was zone =
8.
<BR>It's still alive and happy here in zone 6A and now I believe =
it's listed
as zone 5. A few years back we had about three <BR>years =
where I
could overwinter typically zone 7 plants outdoors without any=
additional contrivances. Then things went<BR>back to normal =
and they
all croaked. So I don't put too much stock in the USDA zones.=
<BR> <BR>-erick <BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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