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Im sure nothing  at all grows under a walnut tree.

Steve

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That' s correct I live in north Italy between zone 7 and 8 but here the
Himalayan plants (I don't have arisaemas long enough to say..) do much
better then the Japanese... We have very short winters with sometimes =
lot of
snow but also dry periods and very warm days in the middle of =
winter...One
question.... I noticed that my plants (most wild orchids and a couple of
aroids) do grow better under certain trees and won't grow at all under
others, does anybody know if there are some type of trees that arisaemas
like speciosum and galeatum can't stand?

Mary

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From: Erick Adams <mailto:rogthegoat at HOTMAIL.COM>  

To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 

Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:38 PM

Subject: Hardiness List - was New member

A discussion about what people grow where & how sounds good, but a =
simple
list 
of average minimum temperature tolerances doesn't begin to cover all the
permutations involved. 

An example would be the species from the Himalayas.  Several of them are
technically winter hardy
for USDA zones 5 or 6, but I find them harder to grow outdoors than =
equally
cold tolerant Japanese species.  
The difference: I have dry summers & wet winters with little or no snow
cover, basically the opposite
conditions the Himalayan species enjoy.

About 15 years ago I bought a Trochodendron aralioides seedling.  The =
common
Hardiness rating at the time was zone 8.  
It's still alive and happy here in zone 6A and now I believe it's listed ==
as
zone 5.  A few years back we had about three 
years where I could overwinter typically zone 7 plants outdoors without =
any
additional contrivances.  Then things went
back to normal and they all croaked.  So I don't put too much stock in =
the
USDA zones. 

-erick 

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That' s correct I live in north <st1:country-region =
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but here
the Himalayan plants (I don't have arisaemas long enough to say..) do =
much
better then the Japanese... We have very short winters with sometimes =
lot of
snow but also dry periods and very warm days in the middle of =
winter...One
question.... I noticed that my plants (most wild orchids and a couple of
aroids) do grow better under certain trees and won't grow at all under =
others,
does anybody know if there are some type of trees that arisaemas like
speciosum&nbsp;and galeatum can't stand?<o:p></o:p></font=><=
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Hardiness List -
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>&nbsp;<br>
A discussion about what people grow where &amp; how sounds good, but a =
simple
list <br>
of&nbsp;average minimum temperature tolerances&nbsp;doesn't begin to =
cover all
the&nbsp;permutations involved. <br>
&nbsp;<br>
An example would be the species from the <st1:place =
w:st="on">Himalayas</st1:place>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Several
of them are technically winter hardy<br>
for USDA zones&nbsp;5 or 6, but&nbsp;I find them harder to grow outdoors ==
than
equally cold tolerant Japanese species.&nbsp; <br>
The difference: I have dry summers &amp; wet winters with little or no =
snow
cover, basically the opposite<br>
conditions the Himalayan species enjoy.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
About 15 years ago I bought a Trochodendron aralioides seedling.&nbsp; =
The
common Hardiness rating at the time was zone 8.&nbsp; <br>
It's still alive and happy here in zone 6A and now I believe it's listed ==
as
zone 5.&nbsp; A few years back&nbsp;we had about three <br>
years where I could&nbsp;overwinter typically zone 7 plants outdoors =
without
any additional contrivances.&nbsp; Then things went<br>
back to normal and they all croaked.&nbsp; So I don't put too much stock ==
in the
USDA zones. <br>
&nbsp;<br>
-erick&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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