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Hi  - I do not dispagree with your idea of growing Chinese plants to =
peserve them - but why not encourage them to collect seeds instead. They ==
could do tne same thing -collecting - but it would be easier and cheaper ==
for them. Plus risk of diseases ect is a lot less.
Eva Gallagher
Deep River, Ontario Canada
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Goete Svanholm 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Chen Yi

I agree with Barry and I would like to add a couple of things.
The Chinese are not quite as backwards as you might believe. They do =
police their nature.
A Swedish group, wo collected seeds without a permit, learnt that the =
hard way.
Chen Yi would not be able to conduct her business unless she were =
permitted to do so by Chinese authorities.
Are we to condemn legal activities in other countries because we know =
everything better?
There is a lot of building activity going on in China and that causes =
destruction of plant habitats.
The plants there need a better home than underneath the tarmac.
There was a discussion on the Trillium list about the difficulties to =
resurrect plants in the US.
Shall we now make difficulties in China as well?

Merry Christmas everybody

G=F6te Svanholm  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Barry Yinger 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:47 PM
Subject: Chen Yi

I have been importing, growing and selling unusual Asian plants for =
many years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in several Asian =
countries.

I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about 9 years. I find her to =
be honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in China that I will =
deal with.

Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants and plants propagated and =
grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy wild-collected plants (I =
don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether the plant you want is =
wild-collected or not. My experience is that (unlike most nurserymen) =
she will tell you the truth. It is a simple matter to distinguish a =
wild-collected plant from a nursery-grown plant, and I have never been =
misled. Among the plants that are nursery-grown are many asarums, =
hepaticas, Saruma, Deinanthe, Syneilesis, Arisaema candidissimum and =
other fine garden plants.

Chen Yi sells wild-collected plants because people want to buy them. ==
I know from experience that few gardeners are willing to pay what it =
costs to grow many of those plants in nurseries. When customers stop =
wanting rare plants on the cheap, she and other collectors will be out =
of business.

Anyone who has been in the markets in China knows that dried plants =
of orchids, Podophyllum, Epimedium, Asarum and many others are sold by =
the ton for medicinal use. I don't think the trade in horticultural =
plants represents even a fraction of that trade and at least some of =
Chen Yi's plants live and are propagated in the West to enrich gardens =
and perhaps conserve rare species. Like it or not many rare and =
wonderful plants from China have been introduced through Chen Yi and are ==
now well-established in Western nurseries and gardens where they are =
propagated and sold.

Almost all of the spring-flowering woodland plants from North =
America that are sold by brokers by the millions are wild-collected in =
the US. This is still legal in most places. The trade in trilliums alone ==
is staggering, and many of these end up brokered to Europe, ending up in ==
the gardens of more than a few self-righteous arm-chair =
conservationists.

I know that many, many subscribers to this list are growing =
wonderful Chinese plants thanks to Chen Yi. So let's give her a break.

Barry Yinger
Lewisberry, Pennsylvania USA

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi&nbsp; - I do not dispagree with y=our =
idea of 
growing Chinese plants to peserve them - but why not encourage them to =
collect 
seeds instead. They could do tne same thing -collecting&nbsp;- but it =
would be 
easier and cheaper for them. Plus risk of diseases ect is a lot 
less.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eva Gallagher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Deep River, Ontario Canada</FONT></D=IV>
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<DIV 
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=gote at SVANHOLM.SE href="mailto:gote at SVANHOLM.SE">Goete ==
Svanholm</A> 
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 17, ==
2008 12:07 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Chen Yi</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with Barry and I would lik=e =
to add a 
couple of things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Chinese are not quite as =
backwards as you 
might believe. They do police their nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A Swedish group, wo collected seed=s =
without a 
permit, learnt that the hard way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chen Yi would not be able to condu=ct =
her business 
unless she were permitted to do so by Chinese =
authorities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are we to condemn legal activities=in =
other 
countries because we know everything better?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a lot of building activit=y =
going on in 
China and that causes destruction of plant habitats.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The plants there need a better hom=e =
than 
underneath the tarmac.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There was a discussion on the =
Trillium list about 
the difficulties to resurrect plants in the US.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shall we now make difficulties in ==
China as 
well?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Merry Christmas =
everybody</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G=F6te =
Svanholm&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV 
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=asiatica at NNI.COM href="mailto:asiatica at NNI.COM">Barr=y =
Yinger</A> 
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 16, ==
2008 9:47 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Chen Yi</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have been importing, growing and selling unusual =
Asian 
plants for many years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in =
several 
Asian countries.<BR><BR>I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about =
9 years. 
I find her to be honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in =
China that 
I will deal with.<BR><BR>Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants =
and plants 
propagated and grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy =
wild-collected 
plants (I don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether the plant =
you want 
is wild-collected or not. My experience is that (unlike most =
nurserymen) she 
will tell you the truth. It is a simple matter to distinguish a 
wild-collected plant from a nursery-grown plant, and I have never =
been 
misled. Among the plants that are nursery-grown are many asarums, =
hepaticas, 
Saruma, Deinanthe, Syneilesis, Arisaema candidissimum and other fine ==
garden 
plants.<BR><BR>Chen Yi sells wild-collected plants because people =
want to 
buy them. I know from experience that few gardeners are willing to =
pay what 
it costs to grow many of those plants in nurseries. When customers =
stop 
wanting rare plants on the cheap, she and other collectors will be =
out of 
business.<BR><BR>Anyone who has been in the markets in China knows =
that 
dried plants of orchids, Podophyllum, Epimedium, Asarum and many =
others are 
sold by the ton for medicinal use. I don't think the trade in =
horticultural 
plants represents even a fraction of that trade and at least some of ==
Chen 
Yi's plants live and are propagated in the West to enrich gardens =
and 
perhaps conserve rare species. Like it or not many rare and =
wonderful plants 
from China have been introduced through Chen Yi and are now =
well-established 
in Western nurseries and gardens where they are propagated and 
sold.<BR><BR>Almost all of the spring-flowering woodland plants from ==
North 
America that are sold by brokers by the millions are wild-collected =
in the 
US. This is still legal in most places. The trade in trilliums alone ==
is 
staggering, and many of these end up brokered to Europe, ending up =
in the 
gardens of more than a few self-righteous arm-chair 
conservationists.<BR><BR>I know that many, many subscribers to this =
list are 
growing wonderful Chinese plants thanks to Chen Yi. So let's give =
her a 
break.<BR><BR>Barry Yinger<BR>Lewisberry, Pennsylvania 
=
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