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From: "Bengt_E.Carlsson" <Bengt_E.Carlsson at SOCWORK.GU.SE>
Subject: Re: Chen Yi to be continued.....
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Goete Svanholm skrev:

Hie Goete & Barry,

Very good discussion! It is so easy to be moralistic when it comes to
enviroment and nature issues! Lets avoid this and have a dicussion built
on facts!

I have imported from Chen Yi too and have both good and bad experiences,
but mostly good! I avoid primulas and other difficult species in her
nursery and go for bulbs which are easier to handle !!

Merry X-mas to you all and Happy New Year!!!

Bengt Carlsson/Sweden
homepadge: www.rhododendron.nu
> I agree with Barry and I would like to add a couple of things.
> The Chinese are not quite as backwards as you might believe. They do
> police their nature.
> A Swedish group, wo collected seeds without a permit, learnt that the
> hard way.
> Chen Yi would not be able to conduct her business unless she were
> permitted to do so by Chinese authorities.
> Are we to condemn legal activities in other countries because we know
> everything better?
> There is a lot of building activity going on in China and that causes
> destruction of plant habitats.
> The plants there need a better home than underneath the tarmac.
> There was a discussion on the Trillium list about the difficulties to
> resurrect plants in the US.
> Shall we now make difficulties in China as well?
>
> Merry Christmas everybody
>
> G=F6te Svanholm
>
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Barry Yinger <mailto:asiatica at NNI.COM>
>     *To:* ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL <mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:47 PM
>     *Subject:* Chen Yi
>
>     I have been importing, growing and selling unusual Asian plants
>     for many years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in several
>     Asian countries.
>
>     I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about 9 years. I find her to
>     be honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in China that I
>     will deal with.
>
>     Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants and plants propagated and
>     grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy wild-collected plants
>     (I don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether the plant you
>     want is wild-collected or not. My experience is that (unlike most
>     nurserymen) she will tell you the truth. It is a simple matter to
>     distinguish a wild-collected plant from a nursery-grown plant, and
>     I have never been misled. Among the plants that are nursery-grown
>     are many asarums, hepaticas, Saruma, Deinanthe, Syneilesis,
>     Arisaema candidissimum and other fine garden plants.
>
>     Chen Yi sells wild-collected plants because people want to buy
>     them. I know from experience that few gardeners are willing to pay
>     what it costs to grow many of those plants in nurseries. When
>     customers stop wanting rare plants on the cheap, she and other
>     collectors will be out of business.
>
>     Anyone who has been in the markets in China knows that dried
>     plants of orchids, Podophyllum, Epimedium, Asarum and many others
>     are sold by the ton for medicinal use. I don't think the trade in
>     horticultural plants represents even a fraction of that trade and
>     at least some of Chen Yi's plants live and are propagated in the
>     West to enrich gardens and perhaps conserve rare species. Like it
>     or not many rare and wonderful plants from China have been
>     introduced through Chen Yi and are now well-established in Western
>     nurseries and gardens where they are propagated and sold.
>
>     Almost all of the spring-flowering woodland plants from North
>     America that are sold by brokers by the millions are
>     wild-collected in the US. This is still legal in most places. The
>     trade in trilliums alone is staggering, and many of these end up
>     brokered to Europe, ending up in the gardens of more than a few
>     self-righteous arm-chair conservationists.
>
>     I know that many, many subscribers to this list are growing
>     wonderful Chinese plants thanks to Chen Yi. So let's give her a bre=ak.
>
>     Barry Yinger
>     Lewisberry, Pennsylvania USA
>
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