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From: studio pozzi taubert <studio.pozzitaubert at TISCALI.IT>
Subject: Re: Chen Yi
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I agree with Goete and Barry,

more I may say that most of the tubers ( arisaema ) I bought from Mrs = =

Chen  four and three years ago
are growing and setting seeds  and tuberlets here in northern Italy  
where I couldn't find
any tuber sold from italian gardeners....

Some Australian friends are growing the seeds I sent in past two  
years....

I lost many tubers but not only the tubers I had from her nursery, I =2=0
think it was my fault !!!

The truth is that you never may be sure which species she sends
and what you are growing...

Last shipment I got a ix of different species under the same ID  
numbers and she didn't
reply to my repeated claims about this,
so I stopped ordering ...

MERRY CHRISTMAS    to the whole list !!!!!!!

Il giorno 17/dic/08, alle ore 18:07, Goete Svanholm ha scritto:

> I agree with Barry and I would like to add a couple of things.
> The Chinese are not quite as backwards as you might believe. They  
> do police their nature.
> A Swedish group, wo collected seeds without a permit, learnt that  
> the hard way.
> Chen Yi would not be able to conduct her business unless she were  
> permitted to do so by Chinese authorities.
> Are we to condemn legal activities in other countries because we  
> know everything better?
> There is a lot of building activity going on in China and that  
> causes destruction of plant habitats.
> The plants there need a better home than underneath the tarmac.
> There was a discussion on the Trillium list about the difficulties =2=0
> to resurrect plants in the US.
> Shall we now make difficulties in China as well?
>
> Merry Christmas everybody
>
> G=F6te Svanholm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Yinger
> To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:47 PM
> Subject: Chen Yi
>
> I have been importing, growing and selling unusual Asian plants for = =

> many years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in several Asian = =

> countries.
>
> I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about 9 years. I find her to =2=0
> be honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in China that I  
> will deal with.
>
> Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants and plants propagated and =2=0
> grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy wild-collected plants =2=0
> (I don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether the plant you  
> want is wild-collected or not. My experience is that (unlike most  
> nurserymen) she will tell you the truth. It is a simple matter to  
> distinguish a wild-collected plant from a nursery-grown plant, and =2=0
> I have never been misled. Among the plants that are nursery-grown  
> are many asarums, hepaticas, Saruma, Deinanthe, Syneilesis,  
> Arisaema candidissimum and other fine garden plants.
>
> Chen Yi sells wild-collected plants because people want to buy  
> them. I know from experience that few gardeners are willing to pay =2=0
> what it costs to grow many of those plants in nurseries. When  
> customers stop wanting rare plants on the cheap, she and other  
> collectors will be out of business.
>
> Anyone who has been in the markets in China knows that dried plants = =

> of orchids, Podophyllum, Epimedium, Asarum and many others are sold = =

> by the ton for medicinal use. I don't think the trade in  
> horticultural plants represents even a fraction of that trade and  
> at least some of Chen Yi's plants live and are propagated in the  
> West to enrich gardens and perhaps conserve rare species. Like it  
> or not many rare and wonderful plants from China have been  
> introduced through Chen Yi and are now well-established in Western =2=0
> nurseries and gardens where they are propagated and sold.
>
> Almost all of the spring-flowering woodland plants from North  
> America that are sold by brokers by the millions are wild-collected = =

> in the US. This is still legal in most places. The trade in  
> trilliums alone is staggering, and many of these end up brokered to = =

> Europe, ending up in the gardens of more than a few self-righteous =2=0
> arm-chair conservationists.
>
> I know that many, many subscribers to this list are growing  
> wonderful Chinese plants thanks to Chen Yi. So let's give her a break.
>
> Barry Yinger
> Lewisberry, Pennsylvania USA
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I agree with Goete and Barry,<div><br></div><div>more I may say that =
most of the tubers ( arisaema ) I bought from Mrs Chen =A0four and thre=e =
years ago</div><div>are growing and setting seeds =A0and tuberlets here==
in northern Italy where I couldn't find</div><div>any tuber sold from =
italian gardeners....</div><div><br></div><div>Some Australian friends =
are growing the seeds I sent in past two =
years....</div><div><br></div><div>I lost many tubers but not only the =
tubers I had from her nursery, I think it was my fault =
!!!</div><div><br></div><div>The truth is that you never may be sure =
which species she sends</div><div>and what you are =
growing...</div><div><br></div><div>Last shipment I got a ix of =
different species under the same ID numbers and she =
didn't=A0</div><div>reply to my repeated claims about this,</div><div>s=o =
I stopped ordering ...</div><div><br></div><div>MERRY CHRISTMAS =A0 ==A0to =
the whole list !!!!!!!</div><div><br><div><div>Il giorno 17/dic/08, alle ==
ore 18:07, Goete Svanholm ha scritto:</div><br =
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span =
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color:==
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><font face="Arial" =
size="2">I agree with Barry and I would like to add a couple of =
things.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">The Chinese =are =
not quite as backwards as you might believe. They do police their =
nature.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">A Swedish =
group, wo collected seeds without a permit, learnt that the hard =
way.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Chen Yi would n=ot =
be able to conduct her business unless she were permitted to do so by =
Chinese authorities.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"=>Are =
we to condemn legal activities in other countries because we know =
everything better?</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">T=here =
is a lot of building activity going on in China and that causes =
destruction of plant habitats.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" =
size="2">The plants there need a better home than underneath the =
tarmac.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">There was a ==
discussion on the Trillium list about the difficulties to resurrect =
plants in the US.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sh=all =
we now make difficulties in China as well?</font></div><div><font =
face="Arial" size="2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face="Aria=l" =
size="2">Merry Christmas everybody</font></div><div><font face="A=rial"=
size="2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">=G=F6te =
Svanholm=A0=A0</font></div><div><font face="Arial" =
size="2"></font>=A0</div><div><font face="Arial" =
size="2"></font>=A0</div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px;==
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"><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- =
Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; =
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"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space">=A0</span><a =
title="asiatica at NNI.COM" href="mailto:asiatica at NNI.COM">Barry =
Yinger</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space">=A0</span><a==
title="ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL" =
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</a>=</d=
iv><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
"><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space">=A0</span>Tuesday=, =
December 16, 2008 9:47 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal==
10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span =
class="Apple-converted-space">=A0</span>Chen Yi</div><div><br></div=>I =
have been importing, growing and selling unusual Asian plants for many =
years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in several Asian =
countries.<br><br>I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about 9 years. I ==
find her to be honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in China =
that I will deal with.<br><br>Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants =
and plants propagated and grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy =
wild-collected plants (I don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether =
the plant you want is wild-collected or not. My experience is that =
(unlike most nurserymen) she will tell you the truth. It is a simple =
matter to distinguish a wild-collected plant from a nursery-grown plant, ==
and I have never been misled. Among the plants that are nursery-grown =
are many asarums, hepaticas, Saruma, Deinanthe, Syneilesis, Arisaema =
candidissimum and other fine garden plants.<br><br>Chen Yi sells =
wild-collected plants because people want to buy them. I know from =
experience that few gardeners are willing to pay what it costs to grow =
many of those plants in nurseries. When customers stop wanting rare =
plants on the cheap, she and other collectors will be out of =
business.<br><br>Anyone who has been in the markets in China knows that =
dried plants of orchids, Podophyllum, Epimedium, Asarum and many others =
are sold by the ton for medicinal use. I don't think the trade in =
horticultural plants represents even a fraction of that trade and at =
least some of Chen Yi's plants live and are propagated in the West to =
enrich gardens and perhaps conserve rare species. Like it or not many =
rare and wonderful plants from China have been introduced through Chen =
Yi and are now well-established in Western nurseries and gardens where =
they are propagated and sold.<br><br>Almost all of the spring-flowering =
woodland plants from North America that are sold by brokers by the =
millions are wild-collected in the US. This is still legal in most =
places. The trade in trilliums alone is staggering, and many of these =
end up brokered to Europe, ending up in the gardens of more than a few =
self-righteous arm-chair conservationists.<br><br>I know that many, many ==
subscribers to this list are growing wonderful Chinese plants thanks to =
Chen Yi. So let's give her a break.<br><br>Barry Yinger<br>Lewisberry, =
Pennsylvania =
USA<br></blockquote>====================
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