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From: Goete Svanholm <gote at SVANHOLM.SE>
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I agree with Barry and I would like to add a couple of things.
The Chinese are not quite as backwards as you might believe. They do =
police their nature.
A Swedish group, wo collected seeds without a permit, learnt that the =
hard way.
Chen Yi would not be able to conduct her business unless she were =
permitted to do so by Chinese authorities.
Are we to condemn legal activities in other countries because we know =
everything better?
There is a lot of building activity going on in China and that causes =
destruction of plant habitats.
The plants there need a better home than underneath the tarmac.
There was a discussion on the Trillium list about the difficulties to =
resurrect plants in the US.
Shall we now make difficulties in China as well?

Merry Christmas everybody

G=F6te Svanholm  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Barry Yinger 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:47 PM
Subject: Chen Yi

I have been importing, growing and selling unusual Asian plants for =
many years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in several Asian =
countries.

I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about 9 years. I find her to be =
honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in China that I will deal =
with.

Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants and plants propagated and =
grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy wild-collected plants (I =
don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether the plant you want is =
wild-collected or not. My experience is that (unlike most nurserymen) =
she will tell you the truth. It is a simple matter to distinguish a =
wild-collected plant from a nursery-grown plant, and I have never been =
misled. Among the plants that are nursery-grown are many asarums, =
hepaticas, Saruma, Deinanthe, Syneilesis, Arisaema candidissimum and =
other fine garden plants.

Chen Yi sells wild-collected plants because people want to buy them. I ==
know from experience that few gardeners are willing to pay what it costs ==
to grow many of those plants in nurseries. When customers stop wanting =
rare plants on the cheap, she and other collectors will be out of =
business.

Anyone who has been in the markets in China knows that dried plants of ==
orchids, Podophyllum, Epimedium, Asarum and many others are sold by the =
ton for medicinal use. I don't think the trade in horticultural plants =
represents even a fraction of that trade and at least some of Chen Yi's =
plants live and are propagated in the West to enrich gardens and perhaps ==
conserve rare species. Like it or not many rare and wonderful plants =
from China have been introduced through Chen Yi and are now =
well-established in Western nurseries and gardens where they are =
propagated and sold.

Almost all of the spring-flowering woodland plants from North America =
that are sold by brokers by the millions are wild-collected in the US. =
This is still legal in most places. The trade in trilliums alone is =
staggering, and many of these end up brokered to Europe, ending up in =
the gardens of more than a few self-righteous arm-chair =
conservationists.

I know that many, many subscribers to this list are growing wonderful =
Chinese plants thanks to Chen Yi. So let's give her a break.

Barry Yinger
Lewisberry, Pennsylvania USA

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with Barry and I would like =to =
add a couple 
of things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Chinese are not quite as backwar=ds =
as you might 
believe. They do police their nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A Swedish group, wo collected seeds ==
without a 
permit, learnt that the hard way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chen Yi would not be able to conduct==
her business 
unless she were permitted to do so by Chinese authorities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are we to condemn legal activities i=n =
other 
countries because we know everything better?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a lot of building activity ==
going on in 
China and that causes destruction of plant habitats.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The plants there need a better home ==
than underneath 
the tarmac.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There was a discussion on the Trilli=um =
list about 
the difficulties to resurrect plants in the US.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shall we now make difficulties in Ch=ina =
as 
well?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Merry Christmas everybody</FONT></DI=V>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G=F6te =
Svanholm&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV 
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black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=asiatica at NNI.COM href="mailto:asiatica at NNI.COM">Barry ==
Yinger</A> 
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
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href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 16, =
2008 9:47 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Chen Yi</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have been importing, growing and selling unusual =
Asian plants 
for many years. I have dealt with very many nurserymen in several =
Asian 
countries.<BR><BR>I have bought plants from Chen Yi for about 9 years. ==
I find 
her to be honest and reliable. She is the only nursery in China that I ==
will 
deal with.<BR><BR>Chen Yi sells both wild-collected plants and plants= 
propagated and grown in nurseries. If you don't want to buy =
wild-collected 
plants (I don't), ask her in advance of ordering whether the plant you ==
want is 
wild-collected or not. My experience is that (unlike most nurserymen) =
she will 
tell you the truth. It is a simple matter to distinguish a =
wild-collected 
plant from a nursery-grown plant, and I have never been misled. Among =
the 
plants that are nursery-grown are many asarums, hepaticas, Saruma, =
Deinanthe, 
Syneilesis, Arisaema candidissimum and other fine garden =
plants.<BR><BR>Chen 
Yi sells wild-collected plants because people want to buy them. I know ==
from 
experience that few gardeners are willing to pay what it costs to grow ==
many of 
those plants in nurseries. When customers stop wanting rare plants on =
the 
cheap, she and other collectors will be out of business.<BR><BR>Anyone ==
who has 
been in the markets in China knows that dried plants of orchids, =
Podophyllum, 
Epimedium, Asarum and many others are sold by the ton for medicinal =
use. I 
don't think the trade in horticultural plants represents even a =
fraction of 
that trade and at least some of Chen Yi's plants live and are =
propagated in 
the West to enrich gardens and perhaps conserve rare species. Like it =
or not 
many rare and wonderful plants from China have been introduced through ==
Chen Yi 
and are now well-established in Western nurseries and gardens where =
they are 
propagated and sold.<BR><BR>Almost all of the spring-flowering =
woodland plants 
from North America that are sold by brokers by the millions are =
wild-collected 
in the US. This is still legal in most places. The trade in trilliums =
alone is 
staggering, and many of these end up brokered to Europe, ending up in =
the 
gardens of more than a few self-righteous arm-chair =
conservationists.<BR><BR>I 
know that many, many subscribers to this list are growing wonderful =
Chinese 
plants thanks to Chen Yi. So let's give her a break.<BR><BR>Barry 
Yinger<BR>Lewisberry, Pennsylvania USA<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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