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I'm happy to see this neat and meaty discussion, focussing on the =
genetics and physiology of these things instead of the taxonomy. Meat =
to put on the bones!
----- Original Message -----
From: Stacy Holtzman
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Arisaema tissue culture
This has always interested me too about Arisaema. I have never known. ==
Is the variegation genetic (inherited as a "pattern") or cytoplasmic =
(i.e. plastids)? If you tc a silver center, you should get silver =
centers no matter what, right?
Stacy Holtzman
Bloomington Drosophila Stock Center
Biology Dept., Jordan Hall A512
1001 E. Third St.
Bloomington, IN 47405-3700
Phone: 812-855-5782
Fax: 812-855-2577
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Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Henry
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:35 AM
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: Arisaema tissue culture
Tony,
I understand that with some variegated plants, tissue culture will not ==
capture the variegation.
If the starting tissue is the green part of the leaf you will get a =
green plant, if the sample is in the silver part, you get a silver =
plant.
Do the variegated arisaema follow this rule?
--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4
PS
The A. sikokianum was a quick sell-out at the rare plants table at our ==
spring sale.
http://fsmn.org/events_plant.html
Tony Avent <tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM> wrote:
Ellen:
You are correct in that some species don't need tc unless you are =
looking for really large numbers. After five years of tc, we have not =
seen a single mutant yet. I'm still looking for the white edged forms, =
but no luck. Those with silver patterns do not show up as patterned =
until they mature and have gone through two dormancies.
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<DIV>I'm happy to see this neat and meaty discussion, =
focussing on the
genetics and physiology of these things instead of the taxonomy. =
Meat to
put on the bones!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU =
href="mailto:sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU">Stacy
Holtzman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 09, 2006 =
9:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Arisaema tissue=
culture</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This has =
always
interested me too about Arisaema. I have never known. Is =
the
variegation genetic (inherited as a =93pattern=94) or cytoplasmic =
(i.e. plastids)?
If you tc a silver center, you should get silver centers no matter =
what,
right?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Holtzman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Drosophila</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Stock</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT=2=0
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Tahoma">
Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy =
Aroids)
[mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Henry<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, June 09, 2006 =
10:35
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Arisaema tissue=
culture</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tony,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I understand that with some variegated =
plants, tissue
culture will not capture the =
variegation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If the starting tissue is the green part of==
the leaf
you will get a green plant, if the sample is in the silver part, =
you get
a silver plant.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Do the variegated arisaema follow this
rule?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">--Henry =
Fieldseth<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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w:st="on"><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Minneapolis</SPAN></FONT></st1:City>, =
<st1:State
w:st="on">Minnesota</st1:State>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region></st1:place>, zone =
4<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The A. sikokianum was a quick =
sell-out at the
rare plants table at our spring =
sale.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A
=
href="http://fsmn.org/events_plant.html">http://fsmn.org/events_plant=.h=
tml</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPA=N
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Tony Avent
<tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><S=PAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ellen:<BR><BR>You are correct in that som=e =
species
don't need tc unless you are looking for really large numbers. ==
After
five years of tc, we have not seen a single mutant yet. I'm =
still
looking for the white edged forms, but no luck. Those with =
silver
patterns do not show up as patterned until they mature and have gone ==
through
two dormancies.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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