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Subject: Re: Seeds, extirpation from over collecting, etc.
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Hello Carlo: Thanks for your last posting re confiscation of CITES =
protected plants. When I last read the regulations back a year or two =
ago, I don't recall those particular ones having been written yet.
And Aaron? There is fair evidence that a number of particular =
oncocyclus (species irises) have been over collected and as a result, =
have become extinct. I. susiana, and I. westii no longer exist. CITES =
listings for this group of irises the last time I checked had listed a =
couple of other species as extirpated, but I questioned their judgment =
at the time. And recent visits to the areas (never fully explored in =
detail) have shown that they do indeed exist still , i.e., I. =
antilibanotica for one.
I have been told that the golden bearded form of I. paradoxa no longer =
can be found on the hill where it once wasin Georgia (Russia) Buit =
perhaps some seedlings may turn up inthe next 5 years. The bnotanists =
there are watching for them. Adam in Glenview, IL USDA Zone 5a
----- Original Message -----
From: carlobal at netzero.net
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Seeds
Responsible institutions sending specimens back and forth don't =
"assume" anything. They get the proper permits and make sure the =
paperwork is accurate and in place.
Seized CITES plants must first be offered back to the exporting =
country. If they are not taken back, they are forwarded to a CITES =
rescue center (usually a botanical garden). If they are still alive they ==
may make into a collection but they remain the property of the =
government, not the institution caring for them. There are rules about =
how they and their progeny can be used.
Carlo A. Balistrieri (carlob at ridgewoodpower.com)
The Gardens at Turtle Point
79 Turtle Point Road
Tuxedo Park, NY 10987
Zone 6 (845.351.2049)
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<DIV>Hello Carlo: Thanks for your last posting re confiscation of =
CITES
protected plants. When I last read the regulations back a year or =
two ago,
I don't recall those particular ones having been written =
yet. </DIV>
<DIV> And Aaron? There is fair evidence that a number =
of
particular oncocyclus (species irises) have been over collected =
and as a
result, have become extinct. I. susiana, and I. westii no longer =
exist.
CITES listings for this group of irises the last time I checked had =
listed a
couple of other species as extirpated, but I questioned their =
judgment
at the time. And recent visits to the areas
(never fully explored in detail)
have shown that they =
do
indeed exist still , i.e., I. antilibanotica for =
one. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have been told that the golden bearded form of I. paradoxa no =
longer can
be found on the hill where it once wasin Georgia =
(Russia)
Buit perhaps some seedlings may turn up inthe next 5 years. The =
bnotanists
there are watching for them. Adam in Glenview, IL USDA Zone =
5a</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=carlobal at NETZERO.NET
href="mailto:carlobal at netzero.net">carlobal at netzero.net</A> </DIV>
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title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 07, 2006 =
10:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Responsible institutions sending specimens back and forth don't =
"assume"
anything. They get the proper permits and make sure the paperwork is =
accurate
and in place. </P>
<P>Seized CITES plants must first be offered back to the exporting =
country. If
they are not taken back, they are forwarded to a CITES rescue center =
(usually
a botanical garden). If they are still alive they may make into a =
collection
but they remain the property of the government, not the institution =
caring for
them. There are rules about how they and their progeny can be =
used.</P>
=
<P><BR>Carlo A. Balistrieri (carlob at ridgewoodpower.c==
om)<BR>The Gardens at Turtle Point<BR>79 Turtle&==
nbsp;Point Road<BR>Tuxedo Park, NY 10987<BR>Zone ==
;6 (845.351.2049)</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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