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From: "aaron floden" <aaron_floden at YAHOO.COM>
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Seeds


> Hello,
>
>  Yes, but the institutions that send specimens back
> and forth tend to take precautions in
> sending/receiving "botanical specimens" or herbarium
> specimens, therefore they assume that these are safe.
> They must also assume that the paperwork is there, and
> if it were a CITES "protected" (as they call it)
> species it would be clearly marked on the outside of
> the box. It is much easier for them to take an
> individual gardeners seeds or plants and destroy them
> and never worry about any possible repercussions.
> After all, "they" are the government, and we are just
> the little ants.
>
>  Are CITES protected plants, if they enter without
> documentation, forwarded onto an institution that buys
> into that way of "conservation" (really just control
> and arrogance) so only they can keep it and limit the
> availablity and propagation of a rare plant? Or are
> they stupidly destroyed in a stupid attempt at
> conservation? Fanatic gardeners are the BEST way to
> get plants around and save them from permanent
> extinction. Yes, protect the habitat, but also get the
> plant into cultivation. Are there any plants that have
> been extirpated due to a gardener collecting them? I
> have yet to read any papers on extinction caused by a
> collector/gardener. But I have read many papers the
> past 6 or 7 months that bring up the building of dams
> in the southeast US, and likely elsewhere, that have
> killed most of a population of a rare plant. Many of
> these dams were only built from the 1950's with one of
> the latest being the Jocasse dam built by Duke Power
> that nearly wiped out most of the Shortia populations.
> Also the Tallulah Gorge dam that most likely flooded
> out the rest of the Trillium persistens population.
> And on and on... Asarum speciosum, Silene polypetala,
> ...
>
>  Aaron Floden
>  KS Z5
>
>
>
> --- "carlobal at netzero.net" <carlobal at NETZERO.NET>
> wrote:
>
> > You're just lucky Aaron. Were I a regulator, the
> > first boxes I'd grab to inspect would be those
> > labelled "botanical specimens" regardless of what
> > was inside. How much more obvious could it be that
> > something plant related is inside? You really think
> > that putting that label on it is getting it through?
> > Regulations like CITES also govern the movement of
> > plant parts and derivatives--which include herbarium
> > specimens.
> >
> >
> > Carlo A. Balistrieri  (carlob at ridgewoodpower.com)
> > The Gardens at Turtle Point
> > 79 Turtle Point Road
> > Tuxedo Park, NY 10987
> > Zone 6  (845.351.2049)
>
>
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