[Arisaema-l] Re: AEG in danger
Gouda, E.J. (Eric)
e.j.gouda at uu.nl
Mon Apr 25 12:06:13 CEST 2022
It is *no *problem to add a Forum at http://arisaema-l.nl but forums are
as old fashioned as email discussion lists I think.
If the group think it is better to have a Forum, I can give it a try
(for example with installing Simple Machine Forum), but still we need
somebody who will be actively managing the forum.
Lets discuss this further!
Eric
Op 22-4-2022 om 09:14 schreef Jonas Bracht:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I would very much prefer a solution like Paige has suggested, since I
> would like to stay away from Facebook for the obvious reasons. I read
> a lot in forums but didn't participate actively yet but I would
> readily change that in the future in the case we had our own forum.
>
> If I understood correctly, Nestor already offered to help if we want a
> new web solution. Maybe that is the way to go?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jonas
>
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail
> gesendet.
> Am 22.04.22, 00:05 schrieb Paige Woodward via Arisaema-L
> <arisaema-l at lists.science.uu.nl>:
>
> Hi, Eric and all.
>
> It appears that the AEG has basically moved to Facebook (minus me).
>
> But for the record, it would be possible to use other software
> instead. With no harvesting of our private information and so on.
>
> The email forum software used by the Scottish Rock Garden Society
> has been mentioned here recently.
>
> Today the Pacific Bulb Society officially moved to the same
> software. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum
>
> The framework is called Simple Machines
> https://www.simplemachines.org
>
> It’s true that you don’t automatically receive messages in your
> email inbox in this forum system. Rather, you sign in to the forum
> and then look around at all the different topics that interest you.
>
> But you can stay signed in indefinitely if you wish.
>
> Images are easy to see and search is a breeze.
>
> And the the PBS database is being retained.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> Paige Woodward
>
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> > On Apr 20, 2022, at 12:48 AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric)
> <e.j.gouda at uu.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Op 19-4-2022 om 18:54 schreef Paige Woodward:
> >> Hi, Eric.
> >>
> >> Agree that the AEG list is not being used.
> >>
> >> I know about the AEG site but it cannot be a “first reference”
> because it is incomplete — of course partly because seldom used.
> >>
> > Hi Paige,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply (I will cc it to the group, because it
> is relevant here). I got several replies personally about the
> disadvantages of Facebook and I know it is not ideal, but seems to
> be (really) used by many of our AEG group. The website and sources
> (literature etc.) on Arisaema-L.nl (including the domain
> aroids.nl) are owned by the AEG and we have additionally our own
> FloraPix gallery with 550 pictures of Arisaemas (with discussion
> possibilities). So I do not understand why you say it can not be a
> “first reference”. Sure, it is far from complete and maybe
> outdated if we are not taking care of it, like the discussion list.
> >
> > It is a tendency in many groups that used email or bulletin
> boards for discussions, these were abandoned and replaced by
> Facebook groups. I must say, I use FB restrictively and I am not
> very active on it, but for example my Bromeliad activities I use
> it for the Bromeliad Society International (BSI) and the
> Encyclopaedia of Bromeliads (https://bromeliad.nl/encyclopedia) to
> advertise news, and it has a reach of 1000 up to 3000 followers!
> All those people are on FB, whether I like it or not, and I can
> not reach them without it.
> >
> > Although I'm quite active with Bromeliads, the Brom-L discussion
> list faces the same problem and recently the Brom-L FloraPix
> gallery became part of the BSI website, which revived activity on it.
> > We have to make a choice I suppose, use the existing FB group,
> keep the email list, create a new FB group for AEG or maybe choose
> for something else???
> > Eric
> >>
> >> On reflection, however, rather than a hub website, an active
> group where questions can be answered with current information
> might be ideal.
> >>
> >> Sounds like the Facebook group!
> >>
> >> But I cannot join FB — it has done too much harm, and continues
> to do too much harm.
> >>
> >> If FB were the only place people could exchange information, I
> might join, with regret.
> >>
> >> But FB is not the only place. It is not even specially
> convenient. It is just so *easy*, and many participants don’t
> think about what’s happening. Frogs in pot of water heating on the
> stove. From the moment I understood that my personal information
> would be harvested and sold, I stood back. FB’s harmful role in
> politics came into the spotlight with the US election, but that
> was not the only election, not the only politics, not the only
> manipulative, unmentioned algorithms. I am interested, but not
> surprised, that so many people just don’t want to know, or care.
> The internet did not cause this. It just highlights a common human
> trait.
> >>
> >> This particular spring, it turns out that I have lost many
> Arisaema spp that I grew for years. They came through a cold
> winter and seemed fine, but then the temperature dropped
> unexpectedly. The tubers had emerged from dormancy and could not
> readjust. This happened not only to arisaemas, of course. I regret
> the losses, but — this simplifies my plans!
> >>
> >> Thank you for the energy you have put into the AEG and other
> groups over the years.
> >>
> >> With best wishes,
> >>
> >> Paige
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 6:01 AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric) <e.j.gouda at uu.nl>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Page,
> >>>
> >>> We do have a website:
> >>> https://arisaema-l.nl/
> >>> including a picture gallery, but people seems not to be
> interested in that any more.
> >>>
> >>> And if all AEG members are discussing and posting photos on
> FB, what is the use of our discussion email list?
> >>> Eric
> >>> Op 14-4-2022 om 00:52 schreef Paige Woodward:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello, Eric. Like some others on this list I greatly valued
> the AEG when it was more active, and I still value the seedex; I
> am just re-entering the plant world after a pause for family reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did wonder why the AEG was so silent. If the group
> completely vanishes into Facebook, I will be so sorry, because I
> have sworn not to support Facebook. (I’m not here to argue, won’t
> go into my reasons, all of them widely known.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Messages are useful, of course, but what I want above all is
> a hub of reliable information about Arisaema spp and aroids in
> general. Is there a way to have a reference website outside Facebook?
> >>>>
> >>>> Paige Woodward
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 1:02 AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric) via
> Arisaema-L <arisaema-l at lists.science.uu.nl>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Keith,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think your conclusions are right. I already contacted
> Pascal, one of the FB managers, but used an old email address
> which bounced, but try an other one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will let you all know what the outcome would be. I just
> attended the FB group myself, although not very active on FB.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If FB is working for all of you, we can abandon this
> discussion list (I have closed down several of the -L lists
> already). The only problem with FB is that is does not interact
> well with an other mail service (you can not post from email to FB).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting question to all of you: who is not on FB
> Arisaema Enthusiats? Because we have to choose!
> >>>>> All the best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eric
> >>>>> Op 12-4-2022 om 13:25 schreef Keith B via Arisaema-L:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Eric and group members,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here’s my perspective, as someone relatively new to the AEG
> and growing Arisaema.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. The group resources were a great help when I first began
> five or six years ago. Firstly the seed exchange, but also the
> online articles and pictures. I have read the mailing list but, as
> Eric points out, without someone actively running this it will
> decline. So far there have been 10 responses to Eric’s appeal for
> help for the AEG: such a limited response to an existential crisis
> suggests to me that very few of the AEG members are reading the
> mailing list.
> >>>>>> 2. There’s a lot that I don’t like about Facebook, but it
> is easy to use, the ‘Arisaema Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has 3800
> members and a regular stream of contributions. Many of the
> contributions (including most of mine) are ‘here’s a picture of my
> Arisaema …’, but there is also some more in-depth botanical
> discussion.
> >>>>>> 3. Combining the above two points, in my opinion, the
> ‘Arisaema Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has become the de facto
> discussion group for Arisaema. Perhaps it is time to encourage AEG
> members to use the Facebook group for discussion.
> >>>>>> 4. The AEG seed exchange is a very worthwhile, and unique,
> activity. I would go further and suggest that there is a need for
> an Arisaema tuber exchange (I’ve just finished repotting my
> Arisaema and I have more A. fargesii offsets than I know what to
> do with). However, appeals for seed from Eric seem to have gone
> largely unheeded this year, and I fear that this is because of the
> low readership of the mailing list. In the past I have used the
> Facebook group to encourage people to contribute seeds to the AEG
> seedex, and suggested it as a source for seeds, but this has been
> in response to people asking questions so has limited visibility.
> The next stage would be to liaise with the Facebook group owners
> so that the AEG seedex can be publicised on Facebook in a more
> direct way (there is no/very little selling/swapping of seeds and
> tubers on the Facebook group, in fact I think it is discouraged,
> so the AEG seedex wouldn't be in competition with anyone).
> >>>>>> 5. That leaves the picture gallery, the articles and the
> other resources on the AEG website. Again, they are very
> worthwhile but I fear they are little used. I am afraid that I am
> at a loss for ideas about how to make these better known.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In summary, I think that the future efforts of the group
> should be focussed on the website resources and the seed exchange.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> best regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Keith
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
> >>>>> Eric
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Drs. E.J. (Eric) Gouda | Curator Utrecht Botanic Gardens |
> Utrecht University | Address Gardens: Budapestlaan 17, 3584 CD
> Utrecht | Postal Address: P.O. Box 80162, 3508 TD Utrecht, The
> Netherlands | +31(0)30 253 9281 |
> >>>>>
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> >>> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
> >>> Eric
> >>>
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> > All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
> > Eric
> >
> > --
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All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
Eric
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