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<p>It is <b>no </b>problem to add a Forum at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arisaema-l.nl">http://arisaema-l.nl</a>
but forums are as old fashioned as email discussion lists I think.</p>
<p>If the group think it is better to have a Forum, I can give it a
try (for example with installing Simple Machine Forum), but still
we need somebody who will be actively managing the forum.</p>
<p>Lets discuss this further!</p>
<p>Eric<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 22-4-2022 om 09:14 schreef Jonas
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0.5em">Hello everybody, <br>
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I would very much prefer a solution like Paige has suggested,
since I would like to stay away from Facebook for the obvious
reasons. I read a lot in forums but didn't participate actively
yet but I would readily change that in the future in the case we
had our own forum.<br>
<br>
If I understood correctly, Nestor already offered to help if we
want a new web solution. Maybe that is the way to go?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
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Jonas <br>
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0.3em">Am 22.04.22, 00:05 schrieb Paige Woodward via Arisaema-L
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padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi, Eric and all. <br>
<br>
It appears that the AEG has basically moved to Facebook (minus
me). <br>
<br>
But for the record, it would be possible to use other software
instead. With no harvesting of our private information and so
on. <br>
<br>
The email forum software used by the Scottish Rock Garden
Society has been mentioned here recently. <br>
<br>
Today the Pacific Bulb Society officially moved to the same
software. <a href="http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum</a>
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<br>
The framework is called Simple Machines <a href="https://www.simplemachines.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.simplemachines.org</a>
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<br>
It’s true that you don’t automatically receive messages in
your email inbox in this forum system. Rather, you sign in to
the forum and then look around at all the different topics
that interest you. <br>
<br>
But you can stay signed in indefinitely if you wish. <br>
<br>
Images are easy to see and search is a breeze. <br>
<br>
And the the PBS database is being retained. <br>
<br>
Cheers. <br>
<br>
<br>
Paige Woodward <br>
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> On Apr 20, 2022, at 12:48 AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric)
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e.j.gouda@uu.nl"><e.j.gouda@uu.nl></a> wrote: <br>
> <br>
> Op 19-4-2022 om 18:54 schreef Paige Woodward: <br>
>> Hi, Eric. <br>
>> <br>
>> Agree that the AEG list is not being used. <br>
>> <br>
>> I know about the AEG site but it cannot be a “first
reference” because it is incomplete — of course partly because
seldom used. <br>
>> <br>
> Hi Paige, <br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your reply (I will cc it to the group,
because it is relevant here). I got several replies personally
about the disadvantages of Facebook and I know it is not
ideal, but seems to be (really) used by many of our AEG group.
The website and sources (literature etc.) on Arisaema-L.nl
(including the domain aroids.nl) are owned by the AEG and we
have additionally our own FloraPix gallery with 550 pictures
of Arisaemas (with discussion possibilities). So I do not
understand why you say it can not be a “first reference”.
Sure, it is far from complete and maybe outdated if we are not
taking care of it, like the discussion list. <br>
> <br>
> It is a tendency in many groups that used email or
bulletin boards for discussions, these were abandoned and
replaced by Facebook groups. I must say, I use FB
restrictively and I am not very active on it, but for example
my Bromeliad activities I use it for the Bromeliad Society
International (BSI) and the Encyclopaedia of Bromeliads (<a href="https://bromeliad.nl/encyclopedia" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://bromeliad.nl/encyclopedia</a>)
to advertise news, and it has a reach of 1000 up to 3000
followers! All those people are on FB, whether I like it or
not, and I can not reach them without it. <br>
> <br>
> Although I'm quite active with Bromeliads, the Brom-L
discussion list faces the same problem and recently the Brom-L
FloraPix gallery became part of the BSI website, which revived
activity on it. <br>
> We have to make a choice I suppose, use the existing FB
group, keep the email list, create a new FB group for AEG or
maybe choose for something else??? <br>
> Eric <br>
>> <br>
>> On reflection, however, rather than a hub website, an
active group where questions can be answered with current
information might be ideal. <br>
>> <br>
>> Sounds like the Facebook group! <br>
>> <br>
>> But I cannot join FB — it has done too much harm, and
continues to do too much harm. <br>
>> <br>
>> If FB were the only place people could exchange
information, I might join, with regret. <br>
>> <br>
>> But FB is not the only place. It is not even
specially convenient. It is just so *easy*, and many
participants don’t think about what’s happening. Frogs in pot
of water heating on the stove. From the moment I understood
that my personal information would be harvested and sold, I
stood back. FB’s harmful role in politics came into the
spotlight with the US election, but that was not the only
election, not the only politics, not the only manipulative,
unmentioned algorithms. I am interested, but not surprised,
that so many people just don’t want to know, or care. The
internet did not cause this. It just highlights a common human
trait. <br>
>> <br>
>> This particular spring, it turns out that I have lost
many Arisaema spp that I grew for years. They came through a
cold winter and seemed fine, but then the temperature dropped
unexpectedly. The tubers had emerged from dormancy and could
not readjust. This happened not only to arisaemas, of course.
I regret the losses, but — this simplifies my plans! <br>
>> <br>
>> Thank you for the energy you have put into the AEG
and other groups over the years. <br>
>> <br>
>> With best wishes, <br>
>> <br>
>> Paige <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 6:01 AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric)
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e.j.gouda@uu.nl"><e.j.gouda@uu.nl></a> <br>
>>> wrote: <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Hi Page, <br>
>>> <br>
>>> We do have a website: <br>
>>> <a href="https://arisaema-l.nl/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://arisaema-l.nl/</a>
<br>
>>> including a picture gallery, but people seems not
to be interested in that any more. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> And if all AEG members are discussing and posting
photos on FB, what is the use of our discussion email list? <br>
>>> Eric <br>
>>> Op 14-4-2022 om 00:52 schreef Paige Woodward: <br>
>>> <br>
>>>> Hello, Eric. Like some others on this list I
greatly valued the AEG when it was more active, and I still
value the seedex; I am just re-entering the plant world after
a pause for family reasons. <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I did wonder why the AEG was so silent. If
the group completely vanishes into Facebook, I will be so
sorry, because I have sworn not to support Facebook. (I’m not
here to argue, won’t go into my reasons, all of them widely
known.) <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Messages are useful, of course, but what I
want above all is a hub of reliable information about Arisaema
spp and aroids in general. Is there a way to have a reference
website outside Facebook? <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Paige Woodward <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 1:02 AM, Gouda, E.J.
(Eric) via Arisaema-L <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl"><arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl></a> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> wrote: <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Thanks Keith, <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I think your conclusions are right. I
already contacted Pascal, one of the FB managers, but used an
old email address which bounced, but try an other one. <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I will let you all know what the outcome
would be. I just attended the FB group myself, although not
very active on FB. <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> If FB is working for all of you, we can
abandon this discussion list (I have closed down several of
the -L lists already). The only problem with FB is that is
does not interact well with an other mail service (you can not
post from email to FB). <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Interesting question to all of you: who
is not on FB Arisaema Enthusiats? Because we have to choose! <br>
>>>>> All the best, <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Eric <br>
>>>>> Op 12-4-2022 om 13:25 schreef Keith B via
Arisaema-L: <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Dear Eric and group members, <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Here’s my perspective, as someone
relatively new to the AEG and growing Arisaema. <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> 1. The group resources were a great
help when I first began five or six years ago. Firstly the
seed exchange, but also the online articles and pictures. I
have read the mailing list but, as Eric points out, without
someone actively running this it will decline. So far there
have been 10 responses to Eric’s appeal for help for the AEG:
such a limited response to an existential crisis suggests to
me that very few of the AEG members are reading the mailing
list. <br>
>>>>>> 2. There’s a lot that I don’t like
about Facebook, but it is easy to use, the ‘Arisaema
Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has 3800 members and a regular
stream of contributions. Many of the contributions (including
most of mine) are ‘here’s a picture of my Arisaema …’, but
there is also some more in-depth botanical discussion. <br>
>>>>>> 3. Combining the above two points, in
my opinion, the ‘Arisaema Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has
become the de facto discussion group for Arisaema. Perhaps it
is time to encourage AEG members to use the Facebook group for
discussion. <br>
>>>>>> 4. The AEG seed exchange is a very
worthwhile, and unique, activity. I would go further and
suggest that there is a need for an Arisaema tuber exchange
(I’ve just finished repotting my Arisaema and I have more A.
fargesii offsets than I know what to do with). However,
appeals for seed from Eric seem to have gone largely unheeded
this year, and I fear that this is because of the low
readership of the mailing list. In the past I have used the
Facebook group to encourage people to contribute seeds to the
AEG seedex, and suggested it as a source for seeds, but this
has been in response to people asking questions so has limited
visibility. The next stage would be to liaise with the
Facebook group owners so that the AEG seedex can be publicised
on Facebook in a more direct way (there is no/very little
selling/swapping of seeds and tubers on the Facebook group, in
fact I think it is discouraged, so the AEG seedex wouldn't be
in competition with anyone). <br>
>>>>>> 5. That leaves the picture gallery,
the articles and the other resources on the AEG website.
Again, they are very worthwhile but I fear they are little
used. I am afraid that I am at a loss for ideas about how to
make these better known. <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> In summary, I think that the future
efforts of the group should be focussed on the website
resources and the seed exchange. <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> best regards <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Keith <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -- <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet, <br>
>>>>> Eric <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -- <br>
>>>>> Drs. E.J. (Eric) Gouda | Curator Utrecht
Botanic Gardens | Utrecht University | Address Gardens:
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>>> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet, <br>
>>> Eric <br>
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> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet, <br>
> Eric <br>
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