[Arisaema-l] FW: AEG in danger
Gouda, E.J. (Eric)
e.j.gouda at uu.nl
Tue Apr 19 09:10:30 CEST 2022
Hi Colin,
We do not work with Phytos at the moment not for sending AEG or Brom
seeds, nor for the BG seed exchange. I think things are going to change
and I do not know if it is possible to get phytos for seeds at the
moment, I have to inform. An other problem will be that it becomes too
time consuming for me.
I think I did not have much problems receiving seeds, beside the AEG
seeds, I received over 20 envelopes from various Botanic Gardens without
a Phyto
All the best,
Eric
Op 14-4-2022 om 23:55 schreef Colin via Arisaema-L:
>
> This has been an interesting discussion to watch.
>
> I am also a member of the FB Arisaema Enthusiasts page but not overly
> active there either.
>
> That said I do check that space once a week or so.
>
> If we were to go down this path then I would suggest creating a page
> on FB just for the AEG as this would allow for the control of content
> and discussion around plant culture and seed trading etc that we would
> be wanting to do.
>
> Eric, Do you know the costs associated with getting phyo certificates
> for the seed exchange material?
>
> With the way the EU, UK, and several other countries have gone, and
> Australia following with the need of this certification, we may need
> to look at shipping to a contact in each area/continent for
> redistribution to reduce costs for everyone.
>
> I recently had a parcel of seed sent back from the Netherlands as it
> did not include a phyto, so even getting seeds to the exchange may be
> more costly now.
>
> This would probably necessitate the sending seed from one area to one
> person within that area for combining into a single parcel so that
> costs for sending to the exchange are reduced as well.
>
> Most seed exchanges have already started organising or doing this.
>
> Regards Colin
>
> *From:*Arisaema-L [mailto:arisaema-l-bounces at lists.science.uu.nl] *On
> Behalf Of *Gouda, E.J. (Eric) via Arisaema-L
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 April 2022 6:02 PM
> *To:* arisaema-l at lists.science.uu.nl
> *Subject:* Re: [Arisaema-l] AEG in danger
>
> Thanks Keith,
>
> I think your conclusions are right. I already contacted Pascal, one of
> the FB managers, but used an old email address which bounced, but try
> an other one.
>
> I will let you all know what the outcome would be. I just attended the
> FB group myself, although not very active on FB.
>
> If FB is working for all of you, we can abandon this discussion list
> (I have closed down several of the -L lists already). The only
> problem with FB is that is does not interact well with an other mail
> service (you can not post from email to FB).
>
> Interesting question to all of you: who is not on FB Arisaema
> Enthusiats? Because we have to choose!
>
> All the best,
>
> Eric
>
> Op 12-4-2022 om 13:25 schreef Keith B via Arisaema-L:
>
> Dear Eric and group members,
>
> Here’s my perspective, as someone relatively new to the AEG and
> growing Arisaema.
>
> 1. The group resources were a great help when I first began five
> or six years ago. Firstly the seed exchange, but also the online
> articles and pictures. I have read the mailing list but, as Eric
> points out, without someone actively running this it will decline.
> So far there have been 10 responses to Eric’s appeal for help for
> the AEG: such a limited response to an existential crisis suggests
> to me that very few of the AEG members are reading the mailing list.
>
> 2. There’s a lot that I don’t like about Facebook, but it is easy
> to use, the ‘Arisaema Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has 3800 members
> and a regular stream of contributions. Many of the contributions
> (including most of mine) are ‘here’s a picture of my Arisaema …’,
> but there is also some more in-depth botanical discussion.
>
> 3. Combining the above two points, in my opinion, the ‘Arisaema
> Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has become the /de facto/ discussion
> group for Arisaema. Perhaps it is time to encourage AEG members to
> use the Facebook group for discussion.
>
> 4. The AEG seed exchange is a very worthwhile, and unique,
> activity. I would go further and suggest that there is a need for
> an Arisaema tuber exchange (I’ve just finished repotting my
> Arisaema and I have more A. fargesii offsets than I know what to
> do with). However, appeals for seed from Eric seem to have gone
> largely unheeded this year, and I fear that this is because of the
> low readership of the mailing list. In the past I have used the
> Facebook group to encourage people to contribute seeds to the AEG
> seedex, and suggested it as a source for seeds, but this has been
> in response to people asking questions so has limited visibility.
> The next stage would be to liaise with the Facebook group owners
> so that the AEG seedex can be publicised on Facebook in a more
> direct way (there is no/very little selling/swapping of seeds and
> tubers on the Facebook group, in fact I think it is discouraged,
> so the AEG seedex wouldn't be in competition with anyone).
>
> 5. That leaves the picture gallery, the articles and the other
> resources on the AEG website. Again, they are very worthwhile but
> I fear they are little used. I am afraid that I am at a loss for
> ideas about how to make these better known.
>
> In summary, I think that the future efforts of the group should be
> focussed on the website resources and the seed exchange.
>
> best regards
>
> Keith
>
> --
>
> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
> Eric
>
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Eric
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