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<p>Hi Colin,</p>
<p>We do not work with Phytos at the moment not for sending AEG or
Brom seeds, nor for the BG seed exchange. I think things are going
to change and I do not know if it is possible to get phytos for
seeds at the moment, I have to inform. An other problem will be
that it becomes too time consuming for me.</p>
<p>I think I did not have much problems receiving seeds, beside the
AEG seeds, I received over 20 envelopes from various Botanic
Gardens without a Phyto<br>
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<p>All the best,</p>
<p> Eric</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 14-4-2022 om 23:55 schreef Colin via
Arisaema-L:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
has been an interesting discussion to watch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am also a member of the FB Arisaema Enthusiasts page but not
overly active there either.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That
said I do check that space once a week or so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
we were to go down this path then I would suggest creating a
page on FB just for the AEG as this would allow for the
control of content and discussion around plant culture and
seed trading etc that we would be wanting to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eric,
Do you know the costs associated with getting phyo
certificates for the seed exchange material? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With
the way the EU, UK, and several other countries have gone,
and Australia following with the need of this certification,
we may need to look at shipping to a contact in each
area/continent for redistribution to reduce costs for
everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
recently had a parcel of seed sent back from the Netherlands
as it did not include a phyto, so even getting seeds to the
exchange may be more costly now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
would probably necessitate the sending seed from one area to
one person within that area for combining into a single
parcel so that costs for sending to the exchange are reduced
as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Most
seed exchanges have already started organising or doing
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards
Colin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> Arisaema-L
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:arisaema-l-bounces@lists.science.uu.nl">mailto:arisaema-l-bounces@lists.science.uu.nl</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Gouda, E.J. (Eric) via Arisaema-L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 13 April 2022 6:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl">arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Arisaema-l] AEG in danger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Thanks Keith,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think your conclusions are right. I already contacted
Pascal, one of the FB managers, but used an old email address
which bounced, but try an other one.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I will let you all know what the outcome would be. I just
attended the FB group myself, although not very active on FB.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If FB is working for all of you, we can abandon this
discussion list (I have closed down several of the -L lists
already). The only problem with FB is that is does not
interact well with an other mail service (you can not post
from email to FB).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Interesting question to all of you: who is not on FB Arisaema
Enthusiats? Because we have to choose!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op 12-4-2022 om 13:25 schreef Keith B via
Arisaema-L:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Eric and group members, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here’s my perspective, as someone
relatively new to the AEG and growing Arisaema. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. The group resources were a great
help when I first began five or six years ago. Firstly
the seed exchange, but also the online articles and
pictures. I have read the mailing list but, as Eric
points out, without someone actively running this it
will decline. So far there have been 10 responses to
Eric’s appeal for help for the AEG: such a limited
response to an existential crisis suggests to me that
very few of the AEG members are reading the mailing
list. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. There’s a lot that I don’t like
about Facebook, but it is easy to use, the ‘Arisaema
Enthusiasts’ Facebook group has 3800 members and a
regular stream of contributions. Many of the
contributions (including most of mine) are ‘here’s a
picture of my Arisaema …’, but there is also some more
in-depth botanical discussion. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. Combining the above two points, in
my opinion, the ‘Arisaema Enthusiasts’ Facebook group
has become the <i>de facto</i> discussion group for
Arisaema. Perhaps it is time to encourage AEG members to
use the Facebook group for discussion. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. The AEG seed exchange is a very
worthwhile, and unique, activity. I would go further and
suggest that there is a need for an Arisaema tuber
exchange (I’ve just finished repotting my Arisaema and I
have more A. fargesii offsets than I know what to do
with). However, appeals for seed from Eric seem to have
gone largely unheeded this year, and I fear that this is
because of the low readership of the mailing list. In
the past I have used the Facebook group to encourage
people to contribute seeds to the AEG seedex, and
suggested it as a source for seeds, but this has been in
response to people asking questions so has limited
visibility. The next stage would be to liaise with the
Facebook group owners so that the AEG seedex can be
publicised on Facebook in a more direct way (there is
no/very little selling/swapping of seeds and tubers on
the Facebook group, in fact I think it is discouraged,
so the AEG seedex wouldn't be in competition with
anyone). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">5. That leaves the picture gallery,
the articles and the other resources on the AEG website.
Again, they are very worthwhile but I fear they are
little used. I am afraid that I am at a loss for ideas
about how to make these better known.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In summary, I think that the future
efforts of the group should be focussed on the website
resources and the seed exchange.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Keith<o:p></o:p></p>
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All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,<br>
Eric<br>
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Eric<br>
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