[Arisaema-l] Activity of the AEG, is this group in danger?
Gouda, E.J. (Eric)
e.j.gouda at uu.nl
Tue Apr 12 09:30:26 CEST 2022
Op 7-4-2022 om 06:59 schreef Néstor D. Groel via Arisaema-L:
> Hello everyone, my name it's Néstor Groel and I'm living in Patagonia
> Argentina.
>
> First of all I apologize to everyone for not participating. As soon as
> I started in this group I had an accident and my youngest son died.
> That winter, between sorrow and pain, I neglected my greenhouse and
> the cold destroyed a large part of my plant collection. Orchids,
> carnivorous, aquatic, ferns and of course my young arisaemas. None of
> them were important at that time. Last years I was retired from groups
> and other activities. By the time I started to get slightly out of the
> deepest well of my life, the pandemic arrived and here we are.
Hi Néstor,
Very sorry to hear about your son, that rips your world apart.
>
> I am old enough to have seen and used all types of groups on the
> internet. I prefer these types of groups by email (perhaps simple
> nostalgia?) but I recognize that they are dying.
>
> I don't like Facebook, I hardly ever log in, but it's true that it
> works for a lot of people. I am in several WhatsApp and Telegram
> groups that work very well if there are less than one hundred members
> or so.
>
> WEB forums are also very useful, I use them daily for fishkeeping,
> microscopy and electronics. We can join perfectly to an existing one
> (that any of you recommend) since we will surely not be a burden for them.
>
> But if you prefer, I can create a web forum and a web page
> specifically for us, for the group, with a place for photos,
> announcements or whatever you want. I have no problem, if you give me
> a few days, I will do it. The site https://sadelplata.org was created
> a lot of years ago, and will be updated in next months with new
> articles and activities, but it can work as a sample. A website
> specific with species taxonomy treatment and general information, with
> photos and all articles on web pages have automatically created their
> corresponding PDF version. It has a web forum attached for members or
> the general public. Using something pre-existing is faster and
> simpler, but if you prefer to have our own site we can build it
> together, you would provide the information and I'll convert it to the
> web's format.
Thanks Néstor, but we do have our own domain and website:
https://arisaema-l.nl/ and https://aroids.nl/ and I can easily include a
forum my self (I run an owned Linux server), but I do not think that
will make a difference. We even have our own Gallery in FloraPix, but
not much activity. This will not change with a forum. What could help is
a person that is the motor in these things, like Ray was. I know mailman
is not very user friendly mail service and have bad archiving, but could
work with a person like that, even when old fashioned.
All the best,
Eric
>
> I'm new to arisaema but not for other plants. I can't help with seeds
> or knowledge about arisaema, but can contribute with a web site.
>
> I want to contribute to something to avoid this group extinction. I
> would like to thank you for the effort you have made for years, tell
> me how I can help. I will collaborate in whatever is needed.
> Thanks to all, sorry for my bad english.
>
>
>
> Néstor D. Groel
> Lórien Sistemas
>
>
> El mié, 6 abr 2022 a las 14:22, Peter Taggart via Arisaema-L
> (<arisaema-l at lists.science.uu.nl>) escribió:
>
> Dear Eric, Christopher, and other AEG members.
> I have been unable to keep up with plant interests over the past
> few years, and am nominally a member of many plant groups on
> Facebook. I have not taken part in them for several years and will
> not start again, because of the blatant censorship of covid
> information, and vaccine harms that has been carried out on
> Facebook, and other platforms. They also perform a great deal of
> nudging of various other agendas, basically good for governments
> and large multinational companies, but very destructive to society.
> One forum which I used to frequent, and hope to do so again, is
> the Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum, which has sections and
> threads on many plant groups. It is searchable, and indexed. I am
> sure that the AEG could create a niche in a corner of that forum,
> with the Scottish Rock Garden Club's blessings.
> https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfca3d48040d5a23ef4883aca506034d&action=forum
> <https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfca3d48040d5a23ef4883aca506034d&action=forum>
>
> https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18367.msg419261#msg419261
>
> I am now rescuing the remains of my bulb collection, after 10
> years of neglect, and plan to expand it including the growing of
> more aroids.
>
> Best wishes
> Peter.
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, 12:45 Christopher Gussman via Arisaema-L,
> <arisaema-l at lists.science.uu.nl> wrote:
>
> A Facebook group may be the way to go, as photos can be easily
> included with questions and discussions. There is already one
> Arisaema Facebook group I bet many members here are already a
> part of. In some ways I miss the old forums and list serves
> but I think they are becoming fossils in the cyber museum.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 6, 2022, at 5:10 AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric) via Arisaema-L
>> <arisaema-l at lists.science.uu.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear AEG members,
>>
>> It seems that the only activity left in our group is the Seed
>> Exchange, which is maybe because of the use of our old
>> fashioned email discussion list. From the Archives we can
>> learn that there are little or no discussions beside the
>> SeedEx messages. We have our own FloraPix Gallery that can be
>> used to post pictures, but also discuss plants. It is really
>> a pity that it has not been used much over the last years.
>>
>> My question is, should we switch to for example Facebook with
>> our group to activate and modernize our group? Or are we
>> becoming a fossil group? Unfortunately Ray Stilwell became
>> too old and left the group in 2007, he was the motor of the
>> group and was not replaced. I was involved in 1997 or maybe
>> even before and created the email list and started organizing
>> the website and SeedEx, which I run for over 20 years now.
>>
>> If we want to continue the group, I think we need somebody
>> like Ray who keeps the group enthusiastic and going (live
>> discussions etc.). I could be involved for the website, seed
>> list and gallery if needed, but will be not much longer in
>> current position at the Botanic Garden (1.5 year max, have
>> reached the age of 65 some time ago).
>>
>> It is up to you, lets start discuss our future now, before it
>> is too late.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
>> Eric
>>
>> --
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All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,
Eric
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