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On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:35:38 PM, "Erick Adams" <rogthegoat at HOTMAIL.COM> wr=o=
te:

Thanks to Tony & Adam for mentioning apomixis. I forget too often about i=t=
&=A0
there's some fruit I have that can really only be explained by it.=A0 I='m=
pretty methodical
about tracking my results with lot designations and serial numbers. I'll=
certainly share
the histories & outcomes of any crosses that actually pan out upon flower=i=
ng.=A0=A0

When Arisaema-L was a newborn list in 1997, there was some discussion abo=u=
t apomixis. A quick search of the archives yielded a few opinions (some i=n=
my deathless prose) on the subject. =A0Just go to the archives and typ=e=
"apomixis" in the blank space.

I also seem to recall an earlier discussion on Aroid-L about whether apom=i=
xis occurred in aroids. Perhaps Ray Stilwell will recall some of that. In==
1997 none of the experts were certain about that, especially in arisaema=s=
=2E

If anyone knows of anything more definitive now, it would be of considera=b=
le interest. I still think that some of the reports may be the result of=
a plant in the process of changing to female still having a few male flo=w=
ers.

=A0
Sidenote: how many people have tried speeding up the seasons artificially=?=
I have=A0my=A0
2009 seedex seedlings in my fridge, but am unsure if I want to take them=
out=A0
after 3 months (January)=A0or wait till spring.=A0I'm curious about h=ow st=
ressful it may be
and whether it impedes a healthy transition to outdoor living.=A0

I've had quite a bit of experience inducing seed germination by washing s=e=
eds in a detergent, and germinating them in a damp paper towel, a techniq=u=
e learned from Ray Stilwell. Check the following entry in the archives.

https://listserv.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.cgi?A2=ind9802&L=ARISAEMA-=L&P=
=R875

Jim
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Zone 7a
302-734-2836

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<html><head></head><body name="Mail Message Editor"><div><span class=="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; fo=nt-weight: bold; font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial; color: black; backg=round-color: transparent; "><br></span></div><div id="replyPrefaceEleme=nt">On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:35:38 PM, "Erick Adams" &lt;rogthegoat at HOTMAIL.=COM&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-le=ft: 5px; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-co=lor: blue; color: blue; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="borde=r-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-s=ize: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=l; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: a=uto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:=2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-bo=rder-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-i!
n-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-widt=h: 0px; ">Thanks to Tony &amp; Adam for mentioning apomixis. I forget too=often about it &amp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><=br>there's some fruit I have that can really only be explained by it.&nbs=p; I'm pretty methodical<br>about tracking my results with lot designatio=ns and serial numbers. I'll certainly share<br>the histories &amp; outcom=es of any crosses that actually pan out upon flowering.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span=></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: =normal; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; font-size: 14px; font-f=amily: Arial; color: black; background-color: transparent; "><br></span><=/div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; t=ext-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; font-size: 14px; font-family: Ar=ial; color: black; background-color: transparent; ">When Arisaema-L was a=newborn list in 1997, there was some discussion a!
bout apomixis. A quick search of the archives yielded a few opinions (

some in my deathless prose) on the subject. &nbsp;Just go to the archives=and type "apomixis" in the blank space.<div><span class="Apple-style-s=pan" style="font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bol=d; font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial; color: black; background-color: t=ransparent; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" styl=e="font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; font-s=ize: 14px; font-family: Arial; color: black; background-color: transparen=t; ">I also seem to recall an earlier discussion on Aroid-L about whether=apomixis occurred in aroids. Perhaps Ray Stilwell will recall some of th=at. In 1997 none of the experts were certain about that, especially in ar=isaemas.<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal=; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; font-size: 14px; font-family:=Arial; color: black; background-color: transparent; "><br></span></div><=div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style!
: normal; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; font-size: 14px; fon=t-family: Arial; color: black; background-color: transparent; ">If anyone=knows of anything more definitive now, it would be of considerable inter=est. I still think that some of the reports may be the result of a plant =in the process of changing to female still having a few male flowers.</sp=an></div></span></div></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" =style="font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; fo=nt-size: 14px; font-family: Arial; color: black; background-color: transp=arent; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-style: normal; text-de=coration: none; font-weight: bold; font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial; c=olor: black; background-color: transparent; "><br></span></div><blockquot=e style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-width: 2px; b=order-left-style: solid; border-left-color: blue; color: blue; "><span cl=ass="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: s!
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m; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-=spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-=indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-s=pacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-verti=cal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-=size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><br>&nbsp;<br>Sideno=te: how many people have tried speeding up the seasons artificially? I ha=ve&nbsp;my<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>2009 see=dex seedlings in my fridge, but am unsure if I want to take them out&nbsp=;<br>after 3 months (January)&nbsp;or wait till spring.&nbsp;I'm curious =about how stressful it may be<br>and whether it impedes a healthy transit=ion to outdoor living.&nbsp;</span></blockquote><div><span class="Apple=-style-span" style="font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-wei=ght: bold; font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial!
; color: black; background-color: transparent; "><br></span></div><div><=font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="=Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b>I've had quite a bit of e=xperience inducing seed germination by washing seeds in a detergent, and =germinating them in a damp paper towel, a technique learned from Ray Stil=well. Check the following entry in the archives.<div><span class="Apple=-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class=="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">https://listserv.surfnet=.nl/scripts/wa.cgi?A2=ind9802&amp;L=ARISAEMA-L&amp;P=R875<div><span=class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><=div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></spa=n></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">=Jim</span></div></span></div></b></span></font></div><div id="signature=_7212CC47-2AFA-4ED3-80DF-673B324A03EF" style="word-wrap: break-word; -w=ebkit-n!
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