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Ernie,

I plant uncleaned seed of A. ECO Paragon every year and it comes up the n=ext
year like gang busters.

Jan Renfroe

Eagle Rock Farms

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Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Ernie O'Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Arisaema: Tom Jacobs (Arisaema)

I just had a talk with Roger Gossler of Gossler Farms Nursery in
Springfield, OR, a well-known magnolia and woody plant nursery. He said t=hat
last year he had a bumper crop of Arisaema sikokianum seed and he planted=it
all without cleaning it at all. He said that it came up like cress. I hav=e
never tried planting uncleaned seed, following the common advice that it
must be cleaned.

Have others planted uncleaned seed? of other species? What was the result=?
It would be wonderful to not have to go through the hassle of cleaning th=e
seed (except for sending in to the exchange) for planting. I do know that
often information gets repeated by author after author as common wisdom
without anyone actually checking to see whether the information is true, =for
example, the common "wisdom" not to prune daphnes.

Ernie O'Byrne
Northwest Garden Nursery
86813 Central Road
Eugene, ORegon 97402
USA
USDA Z. 7B

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The  seeds ripened in July may germinate in two weeks after starting the
Deno_McClement's method and the

tuberlet are about 8/10 mm in late September.

I don't take credit for the idea of washing seed with detergent. I got it
from Ray Stilwell.

Jim
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<sp=an =
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Paragon
every year and it comes up the next year like gang =
busters.<o:p></o:p>

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<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Arisaema Enthusiast Group</st1:PersonName> (AEG) Discussion==
List (and
other hardy Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ernie O'Byrne<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 08, ==
2008 9:10
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Arisaema: =
Tom Jacobs
(Arisaema)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<sp=an =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I just had a talk with Roger =
Gossler of
Gossler Farms Nursery in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City =
w:st="on">Springfield</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">OR</st1:State></st1:place>, a well-known =
magnolia and
woody plant nursery. He said that last year he had a bumper crop of =
Arisaema
sikok<st1:PersonName w:st="on">ian</st1:PersonName>um seed and he =
planted it
all without cleaning it at all. He said that it came up like cress. I =
have
never tried planting uncleaned seed, following the common advice that it ==
must
be cleaned.<o:p></o:p>

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<sp=an =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Have others planted uncleaned seed? ==
of
other species? What was the result? It would be wonderful to not have to ==
go
through the hassle of cleaning the seed (except for sending in to the =
exchange)
for planting. I do know that often information gets repeated by author =
after
author as common wisdom without anyone actually checking to see whether =
the
information is true, for example, the common &quot;wisdom&quot; not to =
prune
daphnes.<o:p></o:p>

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Ernie
O'Byrne 
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName =
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w:st="on">Garden</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Nursery 
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">86813 Central =
Road</st1:address></st1:Street> 
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Eugene</st1:City>, =
<st1:State w:st="on">ORegon</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">97402</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> 
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place =
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> 
USDA Z. 7B<o:p></o:p>

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w:st="on">Dover</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">DE</st1:State></st1:place> z6<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 08, ==
2008 6:36
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<br>
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The &nbsp;seeds ripened in July may =
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two weeks after starting the Deno_McClement's method and the&nbsp; 
 
tuberlet are about 8/10 mm in late September. 
 
I don't take credit for the idea of washing seed with detergent. I got =
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