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From: David Shaw <delftshaws at HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: AW: ChenYi and wild dug plants
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I find Eva's reference to Chen Yi as a supplier of Chinese herbal remedie=s =
interesting. Chen Yi is notorious in the western garden world for supplyi=ng=
wrongly identified plants. Would you want to buy your medicine from a pe=rs=
on with such a reputation?
David Shaw in Scotland
Date: Tue=2C 16 Dec 2008 19:53:43 +0100From: gerfried.deutsch at UNI-GRAZ.=ATSu=
bject: AW: ChenYi and wild dug plantsTo: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
I also agree with you Eva and Michael!
But have you noticed where all the arisaemas=2C cypripedium and similar=pla=
nts are coming from=2C which where selled at ebay=2C or even selled f=rom we=
ll known nurserys!? They all are buying their plants from Chen Yi or simi=la=
r "nurserys" in China or India and sell them with 300% or even more!!!
best greetings from Austria!
Gerfried
Von: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy Aro=id=
s) im Auftrag von Eva GallagherGesendet: Di 16.12.2008 19:01An: ARISAEMA-=L@=
NIC.SURFNET.NLBetreff: Re: ChenYi and wild dug plants
Yes I have to agree with Michael. I have mentioned several times on vario=us=
lists why not encourage Chen Yi to collect seeds. The argument was that t=he=
y(the collectors) could not identify the plants once they were in seed==2Cme=
aning that they dig up the plants when in flower. However it seems to met=ha=
t by going twice once in flower and once in seeds it could easily bedone.=S=
he could easily charge just a much for the seeds as she does plantsand it=w=
ould be a lot less trouble/expense in terms of labour=2C transport=2C=storag=
e etc. However I understand that a lot of plants are dug up anyway forher=f=
or Chinese medicine and probably our nursery needs are small comparedto t=hi=
s other requirement. Also seems to me that I read somewhere that shehad s=om=
e sort of government connection so could bypass or readily receivepermits=-=
but please do not quote me on that. However we should still notencourage=d=
igging up wild plants in such a wholesale way. I think if allnurseries/in=di=
viduals that order from her said we are not buying plants butwould like t=o =
buy seeds instead that would help.Eva GallagherDeep River=2C Ontario==2C Can=
ada----- Original Message -----From: "Michael Goetz" <michaelgoetz at GMX.NE=T>=
To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>Sent: Tuesday=2C December 16=2C 2008 6=:07 AM=
Subject: Re: ChenYi> Hi all=2C>> I think one should add that Chen Yi do=es n=
ot sell nursery-propagated> plants but only plants that are removed from =th=
e wild in China=3B some> species (such as chinese Cypripediums) are wel=l en=
dangered due to removal> from the wild.> I dno't order from her and I thi=nk=
everyone should spend a thought if it> is good to support such a busines=s=
=2C especially as - conderning Arisaemas -> most plants are not so spec=ial=
=2C no matter what the photos say.>> Best regards from Munich=2C.>> M=ichael=
> michaelgoetz at gmx.net>> -------- Original-Nachricht -------->> Datum: Mo=n=
=2C 15 Dec 2008 01:00:26 +0100>> Von: Goete Svanholm <gote at SVANHOLM.SE>=>> A=
n: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>> Betreff: Re: ChenYi>>> To order from Chen =Yi=
is an unusual experience.>> You get a number of plants and quite often t=he=
y are wrongly named.>> Not so that you get something cheaper - often it i=s =
more exotic.>> I once ordered Lilium henryii and got my first Lilium ros=th=
ornii ->> nearly>> unknown in the literature.>> Then I ordered a second r=os=
thornii and got Lilium lijiangense - even more>> unknown.>> The last unin=te=
ntional but welcome aquisition was L papilliferum.>> The plants come very=w=
ell washed and sometimes with roots trimmed off.>> This means that they s=om=
etimes are difficult to establish.>> O the whole it is worthwhile provide=d =
one is prepared to nurse the plants>> on.>> Some genera travel badly Gent=ia=
ns and Primulas are diffiult.>> Roots and corms go better.>> To call the =na=
ming poetic is probably poetical jusitce :-)>> G=F6te>> PS>> remember =the =
air freigt is nearly as expensive as the merchandise.>>>> =======
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I find Eva's reference to Chen Yi as a supplier of Chinese herbal remedie=s =
interesting. Chen Yi is notorious in the western garden world for supplyi=ng=
wrongly identified plants. Would you want to buy your medicine from a pe=rs=
on with such a reputation?<BR>
David Shaw in Scotland<BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Tue=2C 16 Dec 2008 19:53:43 +0100<BR>From: gerfried.deutsch at UNI-G=RAZ.=
AT<BR>Subject: AW: ChenYi and wild dug plants<BR>To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFN=ET=
.NL<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I also=agree wit=
h you Eva and Michael! =3B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>But ha=ve you not=
iced where all the arisaemas=2C cypripedium and similar plants are comi=ng f=
rom=2C which where selled =3Bat ebay=2C or even selled from wel=l known =
nurserys!? They all are buying their plants from Chen Yi or similar "nurs=er=
ys" in China or India and sell them with 300% or even more!!!</FONT></DIV=>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>best greetings from Aust=ria!</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gerfried</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT=> =3B<=
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Von:</B> Arisaema Enthusiast Group (A=EG) Di=
scussion List (and other hardy Aroids) im Auftrag von Eva Gallagher<BR><B=>G=
esendet:</B> Di 16.12.2008 19:01<BR><B>An:</B> ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<=BR=
><B>Betreff:</B> Re: ChenYi and wild dug plants<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV=><=
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<FONT size=2>Yes I have to agree with Michael. I have mentioned sever=al t=
imes on various<BR>lists why not encourage Chen Yi to collect seeds. The =ar=
gument was that they<BR>(the collectors) could not identify the plants on=ce=
they were in seed=2C<BR>meaning that they dig up the plants when in fl=ower=
. However it seems to me<BR>that by going twice once in flower and once i=n =
seeds it could easily be<BR>done. She could easily charge just a much for=t=
he seeds as she does plants<BR>and it would be a lot less trouble/expense=i=
n terms of labour=2C transport=2C<BR>storage etc. However I understan=d that=
a lot of plants are dug up anyway for<BR>her for Chinese medicine and pr=ob=
ably our nursery needs are small compared<BR>to this other requirement. A=ls=
o seems to me that I read somewhere that she<BR>had some sort of governme=nt=
connection so could bypass or readily receive<BR>permits - but please do=n=
ot quote me on that. However we should still not<BR>encourage digging up =wi=
ld plants in such a wholesale way. I think if all<BR>nurseries/individual=s =
that order from her said we are not buying plants but<BR>would like to bu=y =
seeds instead that would help.<BR>Eva Gallagher<BR>Deep River=2C Ontari=o=2C=
Canada<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Michael Goetz" <=3B=mich=
aelgoetz at GMX.NET>=3B<BR>To: <=3BARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>=3B=<BR>Sent=
: Tuesday=2C December 16=2C 2008 6:07 AM<BR>Subject: Re: ChenYi<BR><B=R><BR>=
>=3B Hi all=2C<BR>>=3B<BR>>=3B I think one should add that =Chen Yi do=
es not sell nursery-propagated<BR>>=3B plants but only plants that ar=e re=
moved from the wild in China=3B some<BR>>=3B species (such as chine=se Cyp=
ripediums) are well endangered due to removal<BR>>=3B from the wild.<=BR>&=
gt=3B I dno't order from her and I think everyone should spend a though=t if=
it<BR>>=3B is good to support such a business=2C especially as - c=ondern=
ing Arisaemas -<BR>>=3B most plants are not so special=2C no matter=what =
the photos say.<BR>>=3B<BR>>=3B Best regards from Munich=2C.<BR=>>=3B<=
BR>>=3B Michael<BR>>=3B michaelgoetz at gmx.net<BR>>=3B<BR>>==3B ------=
-- Original-Nachricht --------<BR>>=3B>=3B Datum: Mon=2C 15 Dec 08 01=
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=3B<BR>>=3B>=3B An: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<BR>>=3B>==3B Betreff: =
Re: ChenYi<BR>>=3B<BR>>=3B>=3B To order from Chen Yi is an un=usual ex=
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re wrongly named.<BR>>=3B>=3B Not so that you get something cheap=er - o=
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