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From: Russell Coker <cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Rust
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I hope this isn't a stupid question...
Is the rust on Arisaemas the same thing that infects day lilies? I have ==
a pretty fierce arsenal of chemicals and fungicides that I've been using ==
on the day lilies, but this year I've decided to stop all of that =
nonsense. Some plants are perfectly clean, while the plant next to it =
may be hit really hard. This is going to be my summer to see who has a =
real resistance - and thin the herd.
Most of the Arisaemas I've liberated from pots are to the rear of the =
bed in the shade under big sasanquas that is fronted by the day lilies, =
about 7 feet behind them. Should I be worried?
Adam, have you ever tried your aspirin solution on anything other than =
Arisaemas? What is your ratio? I may go ahead and hit the Arisaemas to ==
be on the safe side. I'd also like to try it on the day lilies. I =
think it would be interesting to spray and drench an infected plant, =
then wait a few days and completely defoliate it and see if the =
resistance is better with the second crop of foliage.
Does anyone have any guess as to the ratio for the ich medication for =
spraying on plants? I'd love to try it too. I'd much rather spray a =
harmless dye than these harsh chemicals.
To the Alpine-L subscribers, if any other info comes along would you =
please share it with us?
Thanks!
Russell (8b)
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Fikso
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Rust
New to me, and fascinating. It shouln't be too expensive to go to =
your local pet shop or aquarium and get some, put it various dilutions =
in a spray bhottle and try it out. I've found an aspirin spray and =
drench to get rid of it for the following year, but no treatment that =
takes it out on the spot.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim McClements, Dover, DE z6
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Rust
Those of you who subscribe to Alpine-L will know that for the past =
week there's been an ongoing discussion about Arisaema rust, its cause =
and treatments, most of which has previously been covered on this list.
However, a posting yesterday, copied below, brings a dimension to =
rusts that was news to me. Are there any treatments out there that =
incorporate this knowledge into something practical? Has anyone tried =
eother of the 2 dyes mentioned?
DNA testing has removed most rusts from Kingdom Fungi, They are now ==
usually
the fungal generation of Amoebae. In tropical fish they use aniline ==
dyes to
kill the free swimming generation of Ich. Phytophthora (Root Rot, =
former
fungus) and Macrocystis (Giant Brown Kelp, former plant) are cosely
related. The single cell free-swimming generation being nearly =
identical.
Aniline dyes used in fish are Methylene Blue (light activated), and
Malachite green which doesn't require light.
Larry Wallace
Cincinnati
Jim
Jim McClements
50 S. Prestwick Ct.
Dover, Delaware 19904, USA
Zone 7a
302-734-2836
**************************************
See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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<DIV>I hope this isn't a stupid question...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is the rust on Arisaemas the same thing that infects day =
lilies? I
have a pretty fierce arsenal of chemicals and fungicides that I've been =
using on
the day lilies, but this year I've decided to stop all of that =
nonsense.
Some plants are perfectly clean, while the plant next to it may be hit =
really
hard. This is going to be my summer to see who has a real
resistance - and thin the herd.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Most of the Arisaemas I've liberated from pots are to the rear of =
the bed
in the shade under big sasanquas that is fronted by the day lilies, =
about 7 feet
behind them. Should I be worried?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Adam, have you ever tried your aspirin solution on anything other =
than
Arisaemas? What is your ratio? I may go ahead and hit the =
Arisaemas
to be on the safe side. I'd also like to try it on the day =
lilies. I
think it would be interesting to spray and drench an infected plant, =
then wait a
few days and completely defoliate it and see if the resistance is better ==
with
the second crop of foliage.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Does anyone have any guess as to the ratio for the ich =
medication for
spraying on plants? I'd love to try it too. I'd much rather =
spray a
harmless dye than these harsh chemicals. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To the Alpine-L subscribers, if any other info comes along would =
you please
share it with us?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Russell (8b) </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET =
href="mailto:adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET">Adam
Fikso</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 15, 2007 =
11:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rust</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>New to me, and fascinating. It shouln't be too expensive to ==
go to
your local pet shop or aquarium and get some, put it various =
dilutions in
a spray bhottle and try it out. I've found an aspirin spray and=
drench to get rid of it for the following year, but no treatment =
that
takes it out on the spot.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=JimMcClem at AOL.COM href="mailto:JimMcClem at AOL.COM">Ji=m =
McClements,
Dover, DE z6</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 15, 2007 ==
7:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Rust</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Geneva =
color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Those of you who subscribe to Alpin=e-L =
will know
that for the past week there's been an ongoing discussion about =
Arisaema
rust, its cause and treatments, most of which has previously been =
covered on
this list.<BR><BR>However, a posting yesterday, copied below, brings ==
a
dimension to rusts that was news to me. Are there any treatments out ==
there
that incorporate this knowledge into something practical? Has anyone ==
tried
eother of the 2 dyes mentioned?<BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=Helvetica
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">DNA testing has =
removed most rusts
from Kingdom Fungi, They are now usually<BR>the fungal =
generation of
Amoebae. In tropical fish they use aniline dyes to<BR>kill the ==
free
swimming generation of Ich. Phytophthora (Root Rot, =
former<BR>fungus)
and Macrocystis (Giant Brown Kelp, former plant) are
cosely<BR>related. The single cell free-swimming generation =
being
nearly identical.<BR>Aniline dyes used in fish are Methylene Blue =
(light
activated), and<BR>Malachite green which doesn't require
light.<BR>Larry Wallace<BR>Cincinnati<BR></FONT><FONT face=Geneva=
color=#000000 size=2 =
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Jim<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jim
McClements<BR>50 S. Prestwick Ct.<BR>Dover, Delaware 19904, =
USA<BR>Zone
7a<BR>302-734-2836<BR></FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 ==
size=2
=
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT><BR><BR><BR>*******************************=**=
*****<BR>See
what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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