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Neil, Arisaema seeds in general, as least any I have received, will last ==
for years in the fridge (at least for 4), stored in plastic baggies, =
sealed, and probably nearly that long stored dry and cool (I haven't =
germinated any that were stored outside the fridge).  Simply call the =
inspection terminal (the mailing address on your permit stickers).  They ==
will know by your name if the package is there.  Send stamps and you =
will have them.  That is if yours did not get to you because of the 'no =
additional address' rule.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: neil jorgensen 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: SeedEx


I didn't receive my seeds either.


After having to drive 80 miles round trip to get the permit and going =
through the hassle of trying to comply to what seems to me to be to be a ==
ridiculous, unnecessary procedure, after all of that, not to receive the ==
few seeds I ordered is pretty frustrating.


I am not sure how long Arisaema seeds (in general)  remain viable, but ==
by the first of June, I wonder if it is still worth the bother of  =
trying to track down my little order.


n


On May 24, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Adam Fikso wrote:


I'm with you, Steve, and I have written the Dept. of State, which I =
understand in the current scheme of things has authority to get them to =
follow their own rules, i.e., after inspection, "...return the package =
to the mail for delivery..", not for extra postage, nor for a query =
about what to do, nor to sit on their hands and dither.  Do I expect an =
answer from the
Dept of State?  I think not.   I may write my senator. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Hatfield
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: SeedEx


They should have come thru Jamaica NY. I don=92t believe that I =
even picked the port of entry I think the permit people picked it????  =
How the heck am I supposed to arrange shipping from APHIS to here?  I =
would have thought if there was a problem I would have been contacted by ==
now. This is frustrating, I didn=92t get any seeds last year and went =
through the trouble to try and do things correctly and still nothing. =
Maybe im just over anxious hope hope.



Steve




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From: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other =
hardy Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of George R. =
Stilwell, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:45 AM
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: SeedEx



Steve, 

Mine came in record time. If yours haven't, what port-of-entry did ==
you use?
Some ports will not forward the seeds; so you must arrange =
transportation from APHIS to you.

Ray

At 5/23/2007, you wrote:



Has anyone out there that used a small seed lot import permit =
gotten their
seeds yet?

Steve




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Neil, Arisaema seeds in general, as ==
least any I 
have received, will last for years in the fridge (at least for 4), =
stored in 
plastic baggies, sealed, and probably nearly that long stored dry and =
cool (I 
haven't germinated any that were stored outside the fridge).&nbsp; =
Simply 
call&nbsp;the inspection terminal (the mailing address on your permit=2=0
stickers).&nbsp; They will know by your name if the package is =
there.&nbsp; Send 
stamps and you will have them.&nbsp; That is if yours did not&nbsp;get =
to you 
because of the 'no additional address' rule.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV 
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black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=njorgen at COMCAST.NET =
href="mailto:njorgen at COMCAST.NET">neil 
jorgensen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 02, 2007 ==
5:39 
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: SeedEx</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I didn't receive my seeds either.
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>After having to drive 80 miles round trip to get the permit and =
going 
through the hassle of trying to comply to what seems to me to be to be ==
a 
ridiculous, unnecessary procedure, after all of that, not to receive =
the few 
seeds I ordered is pretty frustrating.</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>I am not sure how long Arisaema seeds (in general)&nbsp; remain =
viable, 
but by the first of June, I wonder if it is still worth the bother =
of&nbsp; 
trying to track down my little order.</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>n</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On May 24, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Adam Fikso wrote:</DIV><BR 
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<DIV>I'm with you, Steve, and I have written the Dept. of State, =
which I 
understand in the current scheme of things has authority to get them ==
to 
follow their own rules, i.e., after inspection, "...return the =
package to 
the mail for delivery..", not for extra postage, nor for a query =
about what 
to do, nor to sit on their hands and dither.&nbsp; Do I expect an =
answer 
from the</DIV>
<DIV>Dept of State?&nbsp; I think not.&nbsp;&nbsp; I may write 
my&nbsp;senator.&nbsp;</DIV>
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</SPAN><A title=sehatfield at INSIGHTBB.COM 
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</SPAN><A title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
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arial"> 
Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:22 PM</SPAN></DIV>
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arial"><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span 
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arial">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN 
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY:==
arial"> Re: 
SeedEx</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,128); FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">They 
should have come thru Jamaica NY. I don=92t believe that I even =
picked the 
port of entry I think the permit people picked it????&nbsp; How =
the heck 
am I supposed to arrange shipping from APHIS to here?&nbsp; I =
would have 
thought if there was a problem I would have been contacted by now. ==
This is 
frustrating, I didn=92t get any seeds last year and went through ==
the trouble 
to try and do things correctly and still nothing. Maybe im just =
over 
anxious hope hope.</SPAN><O:P 
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Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN 
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Tahoma"> Re: 
SeedEx</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New =
Roman"></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>=<SPAN =

style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><O:P 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
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style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
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</SPAN><BR 
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style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman">Mine came==
in record 
time. If yours haven't, what port-of-entry did you use?</SPAN><BR= 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman">Some port=s =
will not 
forward the seeds; so you must arrange transportation from APHIS =
to 
you.</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New =
Roman"><BR 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New =
Roman">Ray</SPAN><BR 
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style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman">At =
5/23/2007, you 
wrote:</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New==
Roman"><BR 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><O:P 
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style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman">Has anyon=e =
out there 
that used a small seed lot import permit gotten their</SPAN><BR=2=0
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman"><SPAN=2=0
class=Apple-style-span 
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