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From: neil jorgensen <njorgen at COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: SeedEx
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I didn't receive my seeds either.

After having to drive 80 miles round trip to get the permit and going = =

through the hassle of trying to comply to what seems to me to be to  
be a ridiculous, unnecessary procedure, after all of that, not to  
receive the few seeds I ordered is pretty frustrating.

I am not sure how long Arisaema seeds (in general)  remain viable,  
but by the first of June, I wonder if it is still worth the bother  
of  trying to track down my little order.

n

On May 24, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Adam Fikso wrote:

> I'm with you, Steve, and I have written the Dept. of State, which I = =

> understand in the current scheme of things has authority to get  
> them to follow their own rules, i.e., after inspection, "...return =2=0
> the package to the mail for delivery..", not for extra postage, nor = =

> for a query about what to do, nor to sit on their hands and  
> dither.  Do I expect an answer from the
> Dept of State?  I think not.   I may write my senator.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Hatfield
> To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: SeedEx
>
> They should have come thru Jamaica NY. I don=92t believe that I even = =

> picked the port of entry I think the permit people picked it????   
> How the heck am I supposed to arrange shipping from APHIS to here?  = =

> I would have thought if there was a problem I would have been  
> contacted by now. This is frustrating, I didn=92t get any seeds last = =

> year and went through the trouble to try and do things correctly  
> and still nothing. Maybe im just over anxious hope hope.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> From: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other  
> hardy Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of  
> George R. Stilwell, Jr.
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
> Subject: Re: SeedEx
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Mine came in record time. If yours haven't, what port-of-entry did =2=0
> you use?
> Some ports will not forward the seeds; so you must arrange  
> transportation from APHIS to you.
>
> Ray
>
> At 5/23/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone out there that used a small seed lot import permit  
> gotten their
> seeds yet?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date:  
> 5/23/2007 3:59 PM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> 5/23/2007 3:59 PM
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<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I didn't receive my seeds =
either.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>After =
having to drive 80 miles round trip to get the permit and going through =
the hassle of trying to comply to what seems to me to be to be a =
ridiculous, unnecessary procedure, after all of that, not to receive the ==
few seeds I ordered is pretty frustrating.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am not sure how long =
Arisaema seeds (in general)=A0 remain viable, but by the first of June,==
I wonder if it is still worth the bother of=A0 trying to track down my ==
little order.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>n</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>=On =
May 24, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Adam Fikso wrote:</DIV><BR =
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN =
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PE><DIV>I'm with you, Steve, and I have written the Dept. of State, =
which I understand in the current scheme of things has authority to get =
them to follow their own rules, i.e., after inspection, "...return the =
package to the mail for delivery..", not for extra postage, nor for a =
query about what to do, nor to sit on their hands and dither.=A0 Do I =
expect an answer from the</DIV><DIV>Dept of State?=A0 I think not.=A0==A0 =
I may write my=A0senator.=A0</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" =
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10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">----- Original Message -----</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black; =
font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: =
arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="sehatfield at INSIGHTBB.COM" =
href="mailto:sehatfield at INSIGHTBB.COM"><SPAN class="Apple-style-s=pan" =
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Steve =
Hatfield</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-fam=ily: =
arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt =
arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; =
font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL" =
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL"><SPAN class="Apple-style-=span"=
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; =
">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" ==
style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV ==
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial;==
font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:22 PM</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial;==
font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Re: SeedEx</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV =
class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" =
color="navy" size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: na=vy; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN ==
class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-famil=y: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">They should have come thru Jamaica NY. I =
don=92t believe that I even picked the port of entry I think the permit==
people picked it????=A0 How the heck am I supposed to arrange shipping ==
from APHIS to here?=A0 I would have thought if there was a problem I =
would have been contacted by now. This is frustrating, I didn=92t get =
any seeds last year and went through the trouble to try and do things =
correctly and still nothing. Maybe im just over anxious hope =
hope.</SPAN><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2="><SPAN =
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0=, =
0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-famil=y: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2="><SPAN =
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0=, =
0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Steve</SPAN><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Arial" color="navy" size="2="><SPAN =
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class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-famil=y: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><=DIV=
class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times =New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; " align="center"><FONT face="Times New =
Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times =New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "><SPAN =
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class="MsoNormal"><B style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-si=ze: =
16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN =
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ==
">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPA=N =
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "> Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List ==
(and other hardy Aroids) [mailto:</SPAN><ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><SP=AN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><A =
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=</S=
PAN></ST1:PERSONNAME><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">] </SPAN><B =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ==
"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of =
</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-fami=ly: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">George R. Stilwell, Jr.</SPAN><BR =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ==
"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Thursday, May 24=, =
2007 7:45 AM</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ==
">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> =
</SPAN><ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><A =
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=</S=
PAN></ST1:PERSONNAME><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ==
">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: =
SeedEx</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; ==
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT =
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;==
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN==
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px=; =
"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Steve, </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times==
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman=; =
font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-fam=ily: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Mine came in record time. If yours =
haven't, what port-of-entry did you use?</SPAN><BR style="font-family=: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Some ports =
will not forward the seeds; so you must arrange transportation from =
APHIS to you.</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size=: =
16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times =New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Ray</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New==
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-fam=ily: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">At 5/23/2007, you wrote:</SPAN><BR =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times =New =
Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times =New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Has anyone ou=t =
there that used a small seed lot import permit gotten their</SPAN><BR =
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">seeds yet?</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New==
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-fam=ily: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Steve</SPAN><O:P style="font-fami=ly:=
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><BR><BR><P><FONT size="2"><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; ">No virus found=in =
this incoming message.</SPAN><BR style="font-size: 11px; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; ">Checked by AVG==
Free Edition.</SPAN><BR style="font-size: 11px; "><SPAN =
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; ">Version: 7.5.4=67 =
/ Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 =
PM</SPAN><BR style="font-size: 11px; "></FONT></P><BR><P><FONT =
size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11p=x; =
">No virus found in this outgoing message.</SPAN><BR style="font-size=: =
11px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; =
">Checked by AVG Free Edition.</SPAN><BR style="font-size: 11px; =
"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; ">Versio=n: =
7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 =
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