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Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom
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Thanks for prompt answer.  I know the geodic soil you speak of in =
southern Indiana.  Sticky when wet, lousy drainage, except that you're =
on a hill, so most of it drains off.  Not unlike the the  soil in =
western Turkey where these things are native, and where one of the big =
wholesale nurseries is.  I suspect that the other important parameter is ==
the sun exposure.  Mine may not have gotten enough. I didn't want to =
plant the stinkers too close to the bedroom window.  Adam Fikso in =
Glenview, USDA Zone 5a

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Stacy Holtzman 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom

Adam,

I think the location is really important, but temperature doesn't seem ==
to be the factor.  I bought five Dracunculus [bulbs? Tubers?] three =
years ago and of the five, one didn't survive at all (it was planted =
next to the house on the south side), three are doing okay but are still ==
small and kind of weak (they are in different spots in the garden), and =
this one that has done well is on the side of a very steep bank on the =
south side of the gardens outside of our driveway, gets a lot of sun but ==
a lot of wind/weather exposure, but excellent drainage.  It is in heavy =
red clay soil with geodes.  Maybe the red clay with excellent drainage =
is the key.

Stacy Holtzman

Bloomington Drosophila Stock Center

Biology Dept., Jordan Hall A512

1001 E. Third St.

Bloomington, IN  47405-3700

Phone: 812-855-5782

Fax: 812-855-2577

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From: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy ==
Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Adam Fikso
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:11 PM
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom

Stacy?  What sort of soil and pre-wintering treatment do you give it?  ==
. I've tried it here in the Chicago area a few times and it's never =
survived a  mild winter with only 2 days of 0=B0 F .  Sandy or gravelly==
soil perhaps?  Adam

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<DIV>Thanks for prompt answer.&nbsp; I know the geodic soil you speak of ==
in 
southern Indiana.&nbsp; Sticky when wet, lousy drainage, except that =
you're on a 
hill, so most of it drains off.&nbsp; Not unlike the the&nbsp;&nbsp;soil ==
in 
western Turkey where these things are native, and where one of the big =
wholesale 
nurseries is.&nbsp; I suspect that the other important parameter is the =
sun 
exposure.&nbsp; Mine may not have gotten enough. I didn't want to plant =
the 
stinkers too close to the bedroom window.&nbsp; Adam Fikso in Glenview, =
USDA 
Zone 5a</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU =
href="mailto:sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU">Stacy 
Holtzman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 07, 2006==
12:53 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dracunculus =
vulgaris - first 
bloom</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think th=e =
location 
is really important, but temperature doesn=92t seem to be the =
factor.&nbsp; I 
bought five Dracunculus [bulbs? Tubers?] three years ago and of the =
five, one 
didn=92t survive at all (it was planted next to the house on the sout=h =
side), 
three are doing okay but are still small and kind of weak (they are in ==

different spots in the garden), and this one that has done well is on =
the side 
of a very steep bank on the south side of the gardens outside of our =
driveway, 
gets a lot of sun but a lot of wind/weather exposure, but excellent=2=0
drainage.&nbsp; It is in heavy red clay soil with geodes.&nbsp; Maybe =
the red 
clay with excellent drainage is the key.<o:p></o:p>
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Stacy 
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From: =
Arisaema 
Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy Aroids) 
[mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On 
Behalf Of Adam Fikso Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006==
1:11 
PM To: 
ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL Subject: Re: Dracunculus =
vulgaris - first 
bloom<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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Stacy?&nbsp; What sort o=f =
soil and 
pre-wintering treatment do you give it?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;. I've ==
tried 
it here in the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place 
w:st="on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City> area a few times and it's ==
never 
survived a&nbsp; mild winter with only 2 days of 0=B0 F .&nbsp; Sandy==
or 
gravelly soil perhaps?&nbsp; Adam<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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