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From: Bonaventure Magrys <bonaventure at OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: Arisaema / Pinellia
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Sorry Wilbert=2C
I know its a dry seed coating=2C thats why I put =22berry=22 in quo=tes=2E=
The central stem in my clear-headed designation=2C or seeming lack of =i=
t=2C is the one I mean that holds the berries together=2E The =22re=cepta=
cle=22=3F I=27m at a loss because I lent my Gusman book to a fellow=hort=
iculturist whom I hope to infect with Arisaemitis=2C so I cannot refer =t=
o it presently=2E That thing may be there in the pinellia fruit=2C bu=t a=
ppressed=2C or fused=2C to the spathe=2E
Please be kind with my imprecise terminology=2E It is also after 1 am h=e=
re=2E

Bonaventure

PS your Amorphophallus mossambicencis (sent to me circa 2002 as a small =
zigzaggy stolon of swynertonii) is in bloom for a second year=2E Stunni=n=
g! I have passed many offsets along (as mossambicensis)=2E

----- Original Message -----
From=3A Wilbert Hetterscheid =3Chetter=40XS4ALL=2ENL=3E
Date=3A Tuesday=2C July 4=2C 2006 1=3A06 am
Subject=3A Re=3A Arisaema / Pinellia

=3E Hi Bonaventure=2C
=3E =

=3E Now DON=27T tell me you are suggesting that Pinellia is a GYMNOSP=ERM=
!!!!
=3E Naked seeds=3F=3F=3F No way=2E There IS a berry around them=but of t=
he =

=3E =22dry=22 type=2C
=3E which doesn=27t strike anyone as a genuine berry but it really is==2E=
=

=3E It just
=3E isn=27t juicy but morphologically a berry nonetheless=2E
=3E =

=3E Also Pinellia=27s=2C as any aroid=2C have a central stem=2C=which is=
in =

=3E fact the
=3E tuber in the soil=2E Leaves and inflorescences are =22appendage=s=22 =
of =

=3E the stem
=3E and sometimes in aroids the bases of leaves are sheathing and =

=3E surroundingeach other at the base over a noticeable length and =

=3E thus forming a
=3E =22pseudostem=22=2E Several Arisaema species do that=2E Pin=ellia=27s=
don=27t=2E
=3E =

=3E Cheerio=2C
=3E WIlbert
=3E =

=3E =

=3E =3E Pinellia seeds have no =22berry=22 around them=2C that =is=2C the=
y are =

=3E naked=2E They
=3E =3E develop in about 2 weeks also and easily shed from the =22f=ruit=22=
=2C =

=3E spreading=3E everywhere=2E There is no central stem=2C or wha=tever i=
ts =

=3E called=2E In the
=3E =3E flower I noticed the female part of the spadix is fused to th=e =

=3E back of the
=3E =3E spathe=2E
=3E =3E Bonaventure
=3E =3E=3E I would have thought the other way around=2E=2E=2E=unless my =
memory is
=3E =3E=3E off a bit=2E=2E=2E and sometimes that happens=2E=Correct me i=
f I am wrong=2C
=3E =3E=3E but does not A=2E dracontium have the bloom on the sam=e stem =
as the
=3E =3E=3E foliage=3F Pinellia has the inflorescence on a separat=e stem=2E=
=2E=2E one
=3E =3E=3E for foliage=2C one for =22bloom=22=3F
=3E =3E=3E    Gene E=2E Bush
=3E =3E=3E Munchkin Nursery =26 Gardens=2C llc
=3E =3E=3E www=2Emunchkinnursery=2Ecom
=3E =3E=3E genebush=40munchkinnursery=2Ecom
=3E =3E=3E Zone 6/5  Southern Indiana
=3E =3E=3E  ----- Original Message -----
=3E =3E=3E  From=3A Jim McClements=2C Dover=2C DE z6
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E=3E    I will try to take a picture of what I believe to be =A=2E
=3E =3E=3E dracontium in my garden and post it in the next few days==2E  =
Mayhaps
=3E =3E=3E it isn=92t=2E
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E=3E  Easy to tell from Pinellia tripartita if you look at th=e fol=
iage
=3E =3E=3E instead of the inflorescence=2E
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E=3E  Jim
=3E =3E=3E
=3E =3E
=3E