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Subject: Re: global warning
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At 09:13 2006-01-09 -0500, you wrote:
>At  1/9/2006 07:34 AM, you wrote:
>>Skepticism of all things is a good thing.  It is at the heart of
>>the scientific world.
>
>
>That being the case, I remain skeptical of most of the pontification on= 
>global warming. It is the scientific way.
>
>There is no doubt that the earths climate is not static, but to blame th=e=
 
>changes on man's pitiful activities is too much for me to swallow.

It seems that most of the scientific community does swallow it. Bertrand
Russel once said:
If the scientists all agree on one thing the opposite view is not
necessarily true.
Sorry but I think that your view is not necessarily true.

>One volcano eruption, a tsunami caused by an earthquake, etc. is anecdot=al
>  evidence enough for me to perceive that we probably do not significant=ly=
 
>effect the long term climate changes. The Democratic activists, that wou=ld=
 
>blame Bush for the earthquakes, benefit from such drivel.

How can a tsunami be evidence for that we do not effect long term climate
changes???
I believed that the tsunami was evidence that certain governments were
unprepared to deal with large scale disasters.
That Bush should be guilty of earthquakes is in my view a too long shot.
However, it seems clear that he is trying to hinder scientific progress a=nd
a sound education. 

To let religion and politics go into science is usually counterproductive.
It seems that Hoyle opposed Big Bang because he believed it would further
belief in creation. As far as Intelligent design is concerned it is easy =to
refute it on theological grounds" 

>All this reminds me of the arguments that evolved around Keplers proposa=l=
 
>that the earth is not the center of the universe (read - Man is not the= 
>cause of most things in the universe). There was much debate about relig=ion=
 
>and man's place in the cosmos, but in the end, calm investigation and th=e=
 
>development of ever more sophisticated instruments for actually measurin=g=
 
>events held sway.

I always believed that Kopernicus did that in his book that was published=in
1543. Also that Kepler - inspired by Copernicus - used the data collected=by
Tycho Brahe and changed from circular to elliptical orbits. 

>My father was one of a team of two that experimentally proved part of= 
>Einsteins theory of relativity and that Doppler effect holds true in lig=ht=
 
>as well as sound. The latter the basis for determining the size and shap=e=
 
>of the universe as well as modern radar. So, I don't doubt the scientifi=c=
 
>method and I look forward to new discoveries every day, but I detest=2=0
>generalization of anecdotal. Theories are fine, and needed in science, b=ut=
 
>many of us have a tendency to present them as fact, not theory.
>
>Devise and perform a controlled experiment that proves man is a signific=ant=
 
>cause of global climate change {as my father and Dr, Ives did for 
>relativity) and I'll be the first to concede that we're more powerful th=an=
 
>I think we are,

I am sure that you are aware that you cannot perform a controlled experim=ent
or measurement that determines the size of the universe. We have to rely =on
certain beliefs such as the constancy of the hubble constaht and the
constancy of the speed of light. Besides we can only deal with the "visib=le"
universe I. e. the part that does not expand away from us faster than lig=ht.
So if you can believe that we can determine the size of universe, (I do) =why
do you need controlled experiment when it comes to global warming??

I do agree that anecdotical "evidence" can be misleading in the extreme b=ut
Greenland ice cores are hardly anecdotical evidence.

All this is higly entertaining but is it really Arisaema stuff?

G=F6te