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From: Adam Fikso <irisman at AMERITECH.NET>
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii
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Well, Leo, I think that planting at the base of a conifer is a good =
idea, but no conifers in my yard.  I have planted a few of them under =
the eaves of the house hjst inboard of the drip line of the gutters =
where it's drier and warmer.  But it tends to get too dry at times.  =
I've brojught some South African plants through the winter that way this ==
last year, and have a couple of arisaemas being tested that way, also.   ==
i'm not quite sure what I'm going to do with griffithii, utile and =
galeatum which I'm trying for about the 3rd time.  Hours of sun, clayish ==
soil, and degree of amendment with different materials all get factored =
in, but I don't have a formula that works YET.

Lke Tony, I'm persistent but maybe not as persistent as he.  Don't have =
that much money or time. I just turned 82 so I'd like quicker results. = 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Leo Smit 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii


On a general note, by planting at the base of a tree, particularily a =
conifer, Tony is helping the drainage because the tree roots will sop up ==
a lot of moisture. Conifers are particularily good in this case I would =
guess because they continue to pull water in the winter. The conifer is =
also a bit of an indicator of the soil moisture in winter; if it doesn't ==
die then probably there is enough moisture there for other plants except ==
perhaps in the odd pocket.

I have found numbers of non-Arisaema bulbs that will not survive here =
(other than by accident for a year or so) except in the root zone of a =
tree or shrub 

Leo
not exactly experienced with Arisaemas  but moving in that =
direction...
__________________________
Leo Smit
Mt Uniacke, Nova Scotia, Canada
USDA Zone 5-ish, semi-maritime 

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Fikso <irisman at AMERITECH.NET>
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Date: Thursday, January 05, 2006 13:25
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii


Thanks, Tony.  The   problem I have is: what consituttes exceptionally ==
good drainage while still offering something more nutritious than coarse ==
sand and gravel deep enough (8-10 inches--Chicago area) to protect it =
from -20=B0 F. extremes even though we haven't had one of those since =
1985
...as I recall, somebody,maybe Pascal said that this was one of the =
species that shouldn't dry out over the winter.  Striking that balance =
is what's hard. ...
Adam in Glenview

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Avent" <tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM>
To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii


> Adam:
> 
>    I assumed that we could not grow Arisaema griffithii after =
killing 
> dozens of them over a period of years.  Not being one to easily =
admit 
> defeat, we kept trying and now have A. griffithii growing and =
flowering 
> for 2 straight years.  In my experience, it needs exceptionally good ==

> drainage.  We also used the technique that we use for cyclamen and =
plant 
> it a the base of a tree or conifer where it will get little water in ==
the 
> winter months.  I hope this helps.
> 
> Tony Avent
> Plant Delights Nursery @
> Juniper Level Botanic Garden
> 9241 Sauls Road
> Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA
> Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F
> Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F
> USDA Hardiness Zone 7b
> email tony at plantdelights.com
> website  http://www.plantdelights.com
> phone 919 772-4794
> fax  919 772-4752
> "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at =
least three times" - Avent

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<DIV>Well, Leo, I think that planting at the base of a conifer is a good ==
idea, 
but no conifers in my yard.&nbsp; I have planted a few of them under the ==
eaves 
of the house hjst inboard of the drip line of the gutters where it's =
drier and 
warmer.&nbsp; But it tends to get too dry at times.&nbsp; I've brojught =
some 
South African plants through the winter that way this last year, and =
have a 
couple of arisaemas being tested that way, also.&nbsp;&nbsp; i'm not =
quite sure 
what I'm going to do with griffithii, utile and galeatum which I'm =
trying 
for&nbsp;about the 3rd time.&nbsp;&nbsp;Hours of sun, clayish soil, and =
degree 
of amendment with different materials all get factored in, but I don't =
have a 
formula that works&nbsp;YET.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Lke Tony, I'm persistent but maybe not as persistent as he.&nbsp; =
Don't 
have that much money or time. I just turned 82 so I'd like quicker 
results.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV 
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B> 
<A title=elsumpn at CHEBUCTO.NS.CA =
href="mailto:elsumpn at CHEBUCTO.NS.CA">Leo 
Smit</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, =
2006 6:54 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Arisaema =
griffithii</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>On a general note, by planting =at =
the base of 
a tree, particularily a conifer, Tony is helping the drainage because =
the tree 
roots will sop up a lot of moisture. Conifers are particularily good =
in this 
case I would guess because they continue to pull water in the winter. =
The 
conifer is also a bit of an indicator of the soil moisture in winter; =
if it 
doesn't die then probably there is enough moisture there for other =
plants 
except perhaps in the odd pocket.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I have found numbers of non-Arisaema bulbs that =
will not 
survive here (other than by accident for a year or so) except in the =
root zone 
of a tree or shrub </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Leo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>not exactly experienced with =
Arisaemas&nbsp; 
but moving in that direction...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>__________________________<BR>L=eo =
Smit<BR>Mt 
Uniacke, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR>USDA Zone 5-ish, semi-maritime 
<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
</B>Adam Fikso &lt;<A 
=
href="mailto:irisman at AMERITECH.NET">irisman at AMERITECH.NET</A>&gt;<BR>=<B=
>To: 
</B><A =
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>= 
&lt;<A 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=&g=
t;<BR><B>Date: 
</B>Thursday, January 05, 2006 13:25<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Arisaema= 
griffithii<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Thanks, Tony.&nbsp; The&nbsp;&nbsp; problem I have is: what =
consituttes 
exceptionally good drainage while still offering something more =
nutritious 
than coarse sand and gravel deep enough (8-10 inches--Chicago area) to ==
protect 
it from -20=B0 F. extremes even though we haven't had one of those =
since 
1985</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>...</FONT>as I recall, =
somebody,maybe Pascal 
said that this was one of the species that shouldn't dry out over the= 
winter.&nbsp; Striking that balance is what's hard. ...</DIV>
<DIV>Adam in Glenview</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>From: "Tony Avent" &lt;<A 
=
href="mailto:tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM">tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM</A>&gt;</=DI=
V>
<DIV>To: &lt;<A 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=&g=
t;</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>&gt; Adam:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I assumed ==
that we 
could not grow Arisaema griffithii after killing <BR>&gt; dozens of =
them over 
a period of years.&nbsp; Not being one to easily admit <BR>&gt; =
defeat, we 
kept trying and now have A. griffithii growing and flowering <BR>&gt; =
for 2 
straight years.&nbsp; In my experience, it needs exceptionally good =
<BR>&gt; 
drainage.&nbsp; We also used the technique that we use for cyclamen =
and plant 
<BR>&gt; it a the base of a tree or conifer where it will get little =
water in 
the <BR>&gt; winter months.&nbsp; I hope this helps.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Tony 
Avent<BR>&gt; Plant Delights Nursery @<BR>&gt; Juniper Level Botanic= 
Garden<BR>&gt; 9241 Sauls Road<BR>&gt; Raleigh, North Carolina&nbsp;= 
27603&nbsp; USA<BR>&gt; Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F<BR>&gt; Maximum =
Summer 
Temps 95-105F<BR>&gt; USDA Hardiness Zone 7b<BR>&gt; email <A 
=
href="mailto:tony at plantdelights.com">tony at plantdelights.com</A><BR>&g=t;=
 
website&nbsp; <A 
=
href="http://www.plantdelights.com">http://www.plantdelights.com</A><=BR=
>&gt; 
phone 919 772-4794<BR>&gt; fax&nbsp; 919 772-4752<BR>&gt; "I consider =
every 
plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" -=2=0
Avent<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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