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From: Adam Fikso <irisman at AMERITECH.NET>
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii
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Well, Leo, I think that planting at the base of a conifer is a good =
idea, but no conifers in my yard. I have planted a few of them under =
the eaves of the house hjst inboard of the drip line of the gutters =
where it's drier and warmer. But it tends to get too dry at times. =
I've brojught some South African plants through the winter that way this ==
last year, and have a couple of arisaemas being tested that way, also. ==
i'm not quite sure what I'm going to do with griffithii, utile and =
galeatum which I'm trying for about the 3rd time. Hours of sun, clayish ==
soil, and degree of amendment with different materials all get factored =
in, but I don't have a formula that works YET.
Lke Tony, I'm persistent but maybe not as persistent as he. Don't have =
that much money or time. I just turned 82 so I'd like quicker results. =
----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Smit
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii
On a general note, by planting at the base of a tree, particularily a =
conifer, Tony is helping the drainage because the tree roots will sop up ==
a lot of moisture. Conifers are particularily good in this case I would =
guess because they continue to pull water in the winter. The conifer is =
also a bit of an indicator of the soil moisture in winter; if it doesn't ==
die then probably there is enough moisture there for other plants except ==
perhaps in the odd pocket.
I have found numbers of non-Arisaema bulbs that will not survive here =
(other than by accident for a year or so) except in the root zone of a =
tree or shrub
Leo
not exactly experienced with Arisaemas but moving in that =
direction...
__________________________
Leo Smit
Mt Uniacke, Nova Scotia, Canada
USDA Zone 5-ish, semi-maritime
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Fikso <irisman at AMERITECH.NET>
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Date: Thursday, January 05, 2006 13:25
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii
Thanks, Tony. The problem I have is: what consituttes exceptionally ==
good drainage while still offering something more nutritious than coarse ==
sand and gravel deep enough (8-10 inches--Chicago area) to protect it =
from -20=B0 F. extremes even though we haven't had one of those since =
1985
...as I recall, somebody,maybe Pascal said that this was one of the =
species that shouldn't dry out over the winter. Striking that balance =
is what's hard. ...
Adam in Glenview
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Avent" <tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM>
To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii
> Adam:
>
> I assumed that we could not grow Arisaema griffithii after =
killing
> dozens of them over a period of years. Not being one to easily =
admit
> defeat, we kept trying and now have A. griffithii growing and =
flowering
> for 2 straight years. In my experience, it needs exceptionally good ==
> drainage. We also used the technique that we use for cyclamen and =
plant
> it a the base of a tree or conifer where it will get little water in ==
the
> winter months. I hope this helps.
>
> Tony Avent
> Plant Delights Nursery @
> Juniper Level Botanic Garden
> 9241 Sauls Road
> Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA
> Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F
> Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F
> USDA Hardiness Zone 7b
> email tony at plantdelights.com
> website http://www.plantdelights.com
> phone 919 772-4794
> fax 919 772-4752
> "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at =
least three times" - Avent
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<DIV>Well, Leo, I think that planting at the base of a conifer is a good ==
idea,
but no conifers in my yard. I have planted a few of them under the ==
eaves
of the house hjst inboard of the drip line of the gutters where it's =
drier and
warmer. But it tends to get too dry at times. I've brojught =
some
South African plants through the winter that way this last year, and =
have a
couple of arisaemas being tested that way, also. i'm not =
quite sure
what I'm going to do with griffithii, utile and galeatum which I'm =
trying
for about the 3rd time. Hours of sun, clayish soil, and =
degree
of amendment with different materials all get factored in, but I don't =
have a
formula that works YET.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lke Tony, I'm persistent but maybe not as persistent as he. =
Don't
have that much money or time. I just turned 82 so I'd like quicker
results. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=elsumpn at CHEBUCTO.NS.CA =
href="mailto:elsumpn at CHEBUCTO.NS.CA">Leo
Smit</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, =
2006 6:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Arisaema =
griffithii</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>On a general note, by planting =at =
the base of
a tree, particularily a conifer, Tony is helping the drainage because =
the tree
roots will sop up a lot of moisture. Conifers are particularily good =
in this
case I would guess because they continue to pull water in the winter. =
The
conifer is also a bit of an indicator of the soil moisture in winter; =
if it
doesn't die then probably there is enough moisture there for other =
plants
except perhaps in the odd pocket.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I have found numbers of non-Arisaema bulbs that =
will not
survive here (other than by accident for a year or so) except in the =
root zone
of a tree or shrub </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Leo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>not exactly experienced with =
Arisaemas
but moving in that direction...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>__________________________<BR>L=eo =
Smit<BR>Mt
Uniacke, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR>USDA Zone 5-ish, semi-maritime
<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Adam Fikso <<A
=
href="mailto:irisman at AMERITECH.NET">irisman at AMERITECH.NET</A>><BR>=<B=
>To:
</B><A =
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=
<<A
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href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=&g=
t;<BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 05, 2006 13:25<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Arisaema=
griffithii<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Thanks, Tony. The problem I have is: what =
consituttes
exceptionally good drainage while still offering something more =
nutritious
than coarse sand and gravel deep enough (8-10 inches--Chicago area) to ==
protect
it from -20=B0 F. extremes even though we haven't had one of those =
since
1985</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>...</FONT>as I recall, =
somebody,maybe Pascal
said that this was one of the species that shouldn't dry out over the=
winter. Striking that balance is what's hard. ...</DIV>
<DIV>Adam in Glenview</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>From: "Tony Avent" <<A
=
href="mailto:tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM">tony at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM</A>></=DI=
V>
<DIV>To: <<A
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=&g=
t;</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: Arisaema griffithii</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> Adam:<BR>> <BR>> I assumed ==
that we
could not grow Arisaema griffithii after killing <BR>> dozens of =
them over
a period of years. Not being one to easily admit <BR>> =
defeat, we
kept trying and now have A. griffithii growing and flowering <BR>> =
for 2
straight years. In my experience, it needs exceptionally good =
<BR>>
drainage. We also used the technique that we use for cyclamen =
and plant
<BR>> it a the base of a tree or conifer where it will get little =
water in
the <BR>> winter months. I hope this helps.<BR>> <BR>> =
Tony
Avent<BR>> Plant Delights Nursery @<BR>> Juniper Level Botanic=
Garden<BR>> 9241 Sauls Road<BR>> Raleigh, North Carolina =
27603 USA<BR>> Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F<BR>> Maximum =
Summer
Temps 95-105F<BR>> USDA Hardiness Zone 7b<BR>> email <A
=
href="mailto:tony at plantdelights.com">tony at plantdelights.com</A><BR>&g=t;=
website <A
=
href="http://www.plantdelights.com">http://www.plantdelights.com</A><=BR=
>>
phone 919 772-4794<BR>> fax 919 772-4752<BR>> "I consider =
every
plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" -=2=0
Avent<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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