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Sorry to all of you, I DID mean to send an offline note to Neil =
Jorgenson only. Didn't check the addressee.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Fikso
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Tow items: 1. A. Sikiokianum seeds, 2 importing seeds
Neil. On second thought save me a portion of the sikokianum.
I do think that it was I (not Barry Yinger--but you can give him the =
credit if you like--I couldn't check back through old emails to confirm =
my belief) who first made the observation that perhaps this =
administration is acting in this manner to make our borders more secure =
because they were so inept at so much else, and they can do this and =
show how effective they are with a simple administrative order within =
USDA since the regs were already there.. On the plus side I also noted =
that it does allow for a paper trail which they have many, many ways of ==
checking.
How long does it take you to raise sikokianum to bloom from seed?=2=0
I am: Adam Fikso--3620 Glenview Rd., Glenview, IL 60025-2537
----- Original Message -----
From: neil jorgensen
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Tow items: 1. A. Sikiokianum seeds, 2 importing seeds
1. A. sikokianum seeds.
For those of you who have asked for some of my extra A. sikokianum =
seeds, you'll save me time by sending me a mailing address.
2. USDA confiscation
To put it crudely, trying to prevent invasives and pathogens from =
entering this country merely through USDA inspections of seed packets is ==
like F - - ting against Thunder.
Some years ago I tried to import some perennials from England. I =
dutifully applied and received a plant importation permit. The plants =
arrived packed according to Govt. regulation, but the USDA kept them so =
long before they even notified me of their arrival that all but one of =
the plants were dead when I went to pick them up. Confiscating the seeds ==
seems just part of the pattern. "I'm from the government. I'm here to =
help you," etc.,
Not as a rhetorical question but as a point of information, I would =
be interested to know if, by now, there are any other pathogens and =
invasives left to import--at least from Europe-- that could arrive in =
packets of clean seed.
I live in a part of the country that has been settled since the 17th ==
century. The huge number of invasive plants and introduced plant =
diseases that we have messing up our natural environment here reads like ==
the the rogues gallery of the plant world, For hundreds of years, alien =
plants have been arriving in crop seeds, cargo packing and probably by =
means we have never even thought of. Some, such as purple loosetrife and ==
Phragmites have totally altered parts of the landscape. One tree disease ==
and insect invader after another are messing up the New England forests. ==
It seems the USDA is about 200 years too late
The USDA couldn't even stop the recently introduced beetle from =
China that is now threatening the Ash trees in the Midwest.
And somehow, i can't see exotic Arisaemas invading our environment =
and squeezing out the native species or too many pathogenic microscopic =
organisms to be coming in on clean, dry seed. The people running the =
NARGS seed exchanges seem to have been able to pinpoint the few =
invasives and eliminate them from the lists.
I know there have been a few "new" weeds such as Galinsoga (?) that =
have been recently introduced, but so many of the common weeds in our =
fields and forests have been here almost since the beginning of the =
European settlement.
As Barry Yinger so brilliantly put it, all of this is just another =
example of the Patriot Act mentality, They can't protect our container =
ports from a real terrorist attack but they can stop a seed exchange. =
The USDA and Homeland Security are "doin' a heck-of-a-job! "
I like the idea of finding some way to accomplish our ends in a more ==
or less legal way. It would be a victory over hysterical government =
regulation and bureaucracy.
n
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<DIV>Sorry to all of you, I DID mean to send an offline note to =
Neil
Jorgenson only. Didn't check the addressee.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=irisman at AMERITECH.NET =
href="mailto:irisman at AMERITECH.NET">Adam
Fikso</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 12, 200=6 =
12:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tow items: 1. A. ==
Sikiokianum
seeds, 2 importing seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Neil. On second thought save me a portion of the =
sikokianum.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I do think that it was I (not Barry Yinger--but you can =
give him
the credit if you like--I couldn't check back through old emails to =
confirm my
belief) who first made the observation that perhaps this =
administration is
acting in this manner to make our borders more secure because =
they were
so inept at so much else, and they can do this and show how=
effective they are with a simple administrative order within USDA ==
since
the regs were already there.. On the plus side I also noted that ==
it does
allow for a paper trail which they have many, many ways of
checking. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> How long does it take you to raise sikokianum to bloom =
from seed?
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I am: Adam Fikso--3620 Glenview =
Rd.,
Glenview, IL 60025-2537</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=njorgen at COMCAST.NET =
href="mailto:njorgen at COMCAST.NET">neil
jorgensen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 12, =
2006 7:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tow items: 1. A. =
Sikiokianum
seeds, 2 importing seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>1.<U> A. sikokianum seeds. </U><BR><BR>For those of =
you who
have asked for some of my extra A. sikokianum seeds, you'll save me =
time by
sending me a mailing address.<BR><BR>2.<U> USDA confiscation =
<BR><BR></U>To
put it crudely, trying to prevent invasives and pathogens from =
entering this
country merely through USDA inspections of seed packets is like F - =
- ting
against Thunder. <BR><BR>Some years ago I tried to import some =
perennials
from England. I dutifully applied and received a plant importation =
permit.
The plants arrived packed according to Govt. regulation, but the =
USDA kept
them so long before they even notified me of their arrival that all =
but one
of the plants were dead when I went to pick them up. Confiscating =
the seeds
seems just part of the pattern. "I'm from the government. I'm here =
to help
you," etc.,<BR><BR>Not as a rhetorical question but as a point of=2=0
information, I would be interested to know if, by now, there are any ==
other
pathogens and invasives <U>left </U>to import--at least from =
Europe-- that
could arrive in packets of clean seed. <BR><BR>I live in a part of =
the
country that has been settled since the 17th century. The huge =
number of
invasive plants and introduced plant diseases that we have messing =
up our
natural environment here reads like the the rogues gallery of the =
plant
world, For hundreds of years, alien plants have been arriving in =
crop seeds,
cargo packing and probably by means we have never even thought of. =
Some,
such as purple loosetrife and Phragmites have totally altered parts =
of the
landscape. One tree disease and insect invader after another are =
messing up
the New England forests. It seems the USDA is about 200 years too=2=0
late<BR><BR>The USDA couldn't even stop the recently introduced =
beetle from
China that is now threatening the Ash trees in the =
Midwest.<BR><BR>And
somehow, i can't see exotic Arisaemas invading our environment and =
squeezing
out the native species or too many pathogenic microscopic organisms =
to be
coming in on clean, dry seed. The people running the NARGS seed =
exchanges
seem to have been able to pinpoint the few invasives and eliminate =
them from
the lists.<BR><BR>I know there have been a few "new" weeds such as =
Galinsoga
(?) that have been recently introduced, but so many of the common =
weeds in
our fields and forests have been here almost since the beginning of =
the
European settlement.<BR><BR>As Barry Yinger so brilliantly put it, =
all of
this is just another example of the Patriot Act mentality, They =
can't
protect our container ports from a real terrorist attack but they =
<U>can</U>
stop a seed exchange. The USDA and Homeland Security are "doin' a=2=0
heck-of-a-job! "<BR><BR>I like the idea of finding some way to =
accomplish
our ends in a more or less legal way. It would be a victory over =
hysterical
government regulation and
bureaucracy.<BR><BR>n<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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