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Having stuck my neck out this far, here are the papers of Lawrence Kelly.
With these details anyone can look them up.

1. Phylogenetic Relationships in Aristolochiaceae. Lawrence M. Kelly and
Favio Gonzalez. Systematic Botany (2003), 28(2) pp. 236-249.

2. Taxonomy of Asarum Section Asarum (Aristolochiaceae). Lawrence M. Kell=y.
Systematic Botany (2001), 26(1): pp. 17-53.

3. Phylogenetic Relationships in Asarum (Aristolochiaceae) Based on
Morphology and ITS Sequences. Lawrence M. Kelly. American Journal of Bota=ny
85(10): 1454-1467. 1998.

4. A Cladistic Analysis of Asarum (Aristolochiaceae) and Implications for
the Evolution of Herkogamy. Lawrence M. Kelly. American Journal of Botany
84(12): 1752-1765. 1997.

For what it's worth, herkogamy means having flowers that contain male and
female parts, but with space between them that somewhat hinders
self-fertilization.

Paige Woodward
paige at hillkeep.ca
www.hillkeep.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pacific Rim" <paige at hillkeep.ca>
To: "Arisaema-L" <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:02 PM
Subject: Fw: Asarum references


> Petra Schmidt is right and I am foolishly wrong: I wonder why I suddenl=y
> thought that the Flora of North America treatment of Aristolochiaceae
wasn't
> out yet. But that is boring.
>
> Shaking my head, hoping that the moths fly out, I still think that the
> papers of Lawrence Kelly are stimulating, and would be interested to he=ar
> from anyone who agrees or disagrees.
>
> The Flora of North America and Flora of China treatments, if overlaid,
would
> be out of register.
>
> A book that discussed taxonomical considerations and, regardless, offer=ed
> myriad photographs of all parts of every putative taxon, would be a
> treasure. It is this sort of thing, I imagine, that Barry was hoping to
> write.
>
> Paige Woodward
> paige at hillkeep.ca
> www.hillkeep.ca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Petra Schmidt" <petra at PLANTDELIGHTS.COM>
> To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Asarum references
>
>
> > Check the homepage of Flora of China project (www.fna.org/china/)
> > family Aristolochiaceae, genus Asarum, lots of info there.
> > Also check the Fora of North America, Vol.3, family Aristolochiaceae,
> > already published, for info on natives.
> >
> > Now - regarding arisaema, I saw a wonderful A. hainanense at MO
recently,
> > not yet in bloom, but a nice healthy potted plant of it, collected in
Viet
> > Nam (no, MO doesn't have extras).  Here at PDN, we have had great
success
> > with overwintering A. balansae (also from Viet Nam), now 3 years in t=he
> > ground.  A. cordatum, on the other hand, is not hardy but we have a n=ice
> > specimen just emerging inside the greenhouse...a sure sign that our
spring
> > has arrived.
> > Petra
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pacific Rim" <paige at HILLKEEP.CA>
> > To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:20 PM
> > Subject: Asarum references, was gnat pollinators
> >
> >
> > > About references for Asarum and its kin:
> > >
> > > 1. There is, or was, a Japanese book about Asarum s.l. offered on
> Barry's
> > > Asiatica website. Periodically I attempt to order it but get no
response
> > > (though I have had replies about other things).  Is the book still
> > available
> > > and if so will you ship it to Canada, Barry?
> > >
> > > 2. What about the papers by Lawrence Kelly, formerly of Cornell
> University
> > > and now of the New York Botanical Garden? He has been working on th=e
> > > treatment of Asarum/Hexastylis for the Flora of North America, I
> believe.
> > I
> > > am no botanist but based on his several published papers he appears=to
> be
> > > familiar not only with the physical traits, large and small, of the
> > various
> > > possible taxa but also with the problems and traps of cladistics.
> > Comments,
> > > anyone?
> > >
> > > Paige Woodward
> > > paige at hillkeep.ca
> > > www.hillkeep.ca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Barry Yinger" <asiatica at NNI.COM>
> > > To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: gnat pollinators was: What is the name of this plant?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Jim,
> > >
> > > There really isn't anything.  Unfortunately, with my manuscript, fi=eld
> > > notes, slides, and library gone, I don't know if I have the energy =to
> > > start over on the project.  But it should be done, and I don't know
> > > anyone else to do it.
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
> > > On Apr 2, 2004, at 3:47 PM, Jim McClements, Dover, DE z6 wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >  In a message dated 4/1/04 6:10:14 PM, asiatica at NNI.COM writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Various species are more or less discriminating about their
> > > >  pollinator(s). The plants in subgenera Asarum and Asiasarum are
> > > >  generally less discriminating, and those in subgenera Heterotrop=a
> > > >  (Japan and China) and Hexastylis (America and maybe China) are m=ore
> > > >  specific. Chinese and Japanese species in subgenus Heterotropa
rarely
> > > >  spontaneously set seed in cultivation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Barry
> > > >
> > > >  Is there anything approaching a comprehensive key/description/bo=ok
on
> > > > the whole Asarum genus? I know that you were working on the idea =a
few
> > > > years ago.
> > > >
> > > >  If nothing in one place, what would you recommend as a group of
> > > > resources, particularly the Chinese species that Chen Yi sells an=d
the
> > > > NA species?
> > > >
> > > >  Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Jim McClements
> > > >  50 S. Prestwick Ct, Dover, Delaware, 19904, USA, Zone 7a
> >
> >
>