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From: Diana Pederson <plantcollector at AMERITECH.NET>
Subject: Question on seed germinating
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Hi:

I have several Arisaema species started from seed right now.  How long do=es
it usually take them to form "true leaves" rather than seedling leaves?
These have been planted since 12/6/2002.  I had great germination after
soaking these "old seeds -- half packets from last year saved in case I l=ost
last year's seedlings" for two days while changing the water frequently. =Am
hoping to keep these alive long enough to get out in the garden.

Sincerely,
Diana Pederson, Michigan, USDA Zone 5
houseplants.bellaonline.com
gardening.bellaonline.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "George R. Stilwell, Jr." <GRSJr at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zantedeschia 'Black Forest' source and others


> Actually  'Schwarzwalder' translates to "one who lives or works in the
> Black Forest" rather than the "Black Forest" itself.
>
> In any event, it's a spectacular plant.
>
> Ray
>
> At 04:12 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Lotte,
> >
> >Ja, genau.  Das weis ich schon.  What makes me now think this is not t=he
> >actual cultivar 'Schwarzwalder' is that this one is patented.  If it h=ad
> >been released to commerce (under any name) before patenting, it could =not
> >later have been patented.  Of course, once patented, the same plant ma=y
be
> >sold under a plethora of names, just as long as the production is
licensed
> >from the plant patent holder.  So it might depend on when the variety
> >"Black Forest" was patented.  'Schwarzwalder' is a registered cultivar
> >name, but "Black Forest" was not, as of about a year ago.  At that tim=e,
we
> >assumed that the two were identical and that calling it "Black Forest"
was
> >just a marketing gimmick for the English speaking world.
> >
> >Viele Gruesse,
> >Jim Shields
> >
> >At 03:49 PM 1/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Black Forest tanslated to German is Schwarzwald -
> >>Lotte Hedges
> >>
> >> > From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields104 at INSIGHTBB.COM>
> >> > Reply-To: "Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and ot=her
> hardy
> >> > Aroids)" <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
> >> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:56:48 -0500
> >> > To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
> >> > Subject: Zantedeschia 'Black Forest' source and others
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I see that Van Bourgondien is offering Zantedeschia 'Black Forest'=in
> their
> >> > catalog this spring, cat. no. 74507 (US PP#11.001) @ $16.95 each. =So
> >> > perhaps it is not the same as 'Schwarzwald'.  Tel.
> >> > 1-800-622-9997   http://www.dutchbulbs.com/
> >> >
> >> > Wayside Gardens is selling Zantedeschia 'Black Pearl', cat. no. 80=00,
@
> >> > $9.95 each.  Tel. 1-800-845-1124 http://www.waysidegardens.com/
> >> >
> >> > Van Bourgondien also have the line of "Callafornia" hybrids and
several
> >> > others.
> >> >
> >> > Wayside is also offering several Arisaema species:  candidissimum,
> >> > sikokianum, tortuosum, speciosium, and triphyllum.
> >> >
> >> > This mention should in no way be construed as an endorsement of
either
> Van
> >> > Bourgondien or Wayside Gardens by me or by anyone else!
> >> >
> >> > Have fun!
> >> >
> >> > Jim Shields
> >> > in central Indiana
> >> >
> >> > *************************************************
> >> > Jim Shields             USDA Zone 5             Shields Gardens, L=td.
> >> > P.O. Box 92              WWW:    http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
> >> > Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA                   Tel. +1-317-896-39=25
> >> > Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP
> >
> >*************************************************
> >Jim Shields             USDA Zone 5             Shields Gardens, Ltd.
> >P.O. Box 92              WWW:    http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
> >Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA                   Tel. +1-317-896-3925
> >Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP
> >
>