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"Yes, yes. Black Forest Cake is good, but I am already way too heavy.....=.."

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilbert Hetterscheid [mailto:hetter at WORLDONLINE.NL]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:11 PM
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: Schwartzwalder, Schwarzwalder, The BLack Forest and a
stupid taxonomist


Jaja, Schwarzwalder Torte ist gut, aber ich bin schon VIEL zu
schwer...........

Dicker Willie (now listen you Americans, that is GERMAN, so not XXX-rated=).


> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy
> Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL]Namens J.E. Shields
> Verzonden: donderdag 21 maart 2002 20:09
> Aan: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
> Onderwerp: Re: Schwartzwalder, Schwarzwalder, The BLack Forest and a
> stupid taxonomist
>
>
> Wilbert,
>
> I appreciate your authoritative "civil servant talk!"  Ich
> haette sehr gern
> ein Stueck Schwarzwaelder gerade jetzt.  I always think of a
> Schwarzwaelder
> Tort when I hear the word, "Schwarzwald".  The best I ever
> had was from an
> Austrian restaurant in Zurich; but unfortunately, it went off the menu
> there about 10 years ago.
>
> Until we get DNA tests to confirm or refute it, I suppose we
> should assume
> that the Zantedeschia 'Black Forest' is really Z.
> 'Schwarzwalder' with an
> Americanized name.  Actually, I favor the second hypothesis I
> proposed too,
> Ray, but "...innocent until proven guilty..." should probably
> be the rule.
>
> We could defer to that other "rule," to the effect that "a rose by any
> other name smells just as sweet" (more or less).
>
> Jim Shields
> in central Indiana
>
> At 07:45 PM 3/21/02 +0100, Wilbert wrote:
> >Guys,
> ><---snip--->
> >1) the translation is wrong indeed, as Schwarzwalder means
> "of the Black
> >Forest" as in inhabitants of that region (as in "Ich bin ein
> >Schwarzwalder"........now why did I think of THAT example........???)
> >
> >2) translations of cultivar epithets are not allowed by the
> Cultivated Plant
> >Nomenclature Code. They ought to remain as they were
> originally established.
> >Transliterations are allowed (rendering a word in another
> script) following
> >a set of standard transliteration tables as mentioned in the code.
> >Translations are considered trade designations and have no
> official status
> >and may not be presented as the correct cultivar epithet. SO
> THERE!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Well, that was enough civil-servant talk from me.
> >
> >Cheerio,
> >Wilbert
>
> *************************************************
> Jim Shields             USDA Zone 5             Shields Gardens, Ltd.
> P.O. Box 92              WWW:    http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
> Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA                   Tel. +1-317-896-3925
>