Please welcome our latest new member Park Owen <ptowen7844 at aol.com>. Park is one of the lucky ones with A. kishidae in their collections. He gardens in TN and says he has microclimates that accomodate zone 8 plants. Sounds like he should try some of Wilbert's tropical species. Park should be on Arisaema-L shortly. Ray <GRSJr at Juno.com>