Eric just posted the good news that the Arisaema-L archives are open. For those of you who like to go directly to the target, use the address: <http://listserv.surfnet.nl/archives/arisaema-L.html> They seem easy to use and complete. If you're interested in Trillium-L and/or Alpine-L, just substitute the desired list name in place of Arisaema-L. Ray <GRSJr at Juno.com>