[Trillium-l] PA Native Trillium Sources

Charles Hunter 2csh at bellsouth.net
Fri Jan 23 17:18:29 CET 2015


Mark: Plant Delights sells cuneatum and flexipes. They also sell a couple of
hybrids, but personally I do not see most trillium crosses as any
improvemwnt over species, and I really do not care for the washed out flower
appearance of some of the erectum complex crosses- grandiflorum may not
cross but erectum and most others in that complex do.. 

Charles Hunter
Smyrna, Georgia z7 USA

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All,

Recently joined your "club", and I find the "conversations" fascinating!

I live and grow trillium in Tioga County, PA (-15 to -20 F typical lowest
temp).  Yes, you might say that this is the artic of PA.

Have grown all three of our county natives (T erectum, T grandiflorum, and T
undulatum) for many years in my garden, T undulatum with less success.  Have
had natural seedlings of T erectum and T grandiflorum for years, but they
are always true to species.  So, they apparently don't cross hybridize.  


Would like to add some of the other PA natives, (T cernuum, T cuneatum, T
fleflexipes, T nivale, and T sessile) into the mix to see what hybrids might
be produced.

Does anyone out there know of sources for these other PA natives?

Thanks!
Mark Simonis


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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:57:12 -0800
From: Russell Graham <eldergrahams at me.com>
Subject: Re: [Trillium-l] Exporting Trilliums to Uk
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Hello Chris and Colin,

On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Chris Wetmore wrote:

> Colin,
> 
> In my humble opinion trillium hybridizing and growing seems to be much
further along in Europe.

I am curious as to what information drives your opinion about hybridizing
Chris. I tend to agree about the "growing," but I am unaware of "any"
controlled efforts at hybridizing (anywhere actually).

> The one exception would be Plant Delights in the US. Check out the
trillium group on Facebook and I don't know if John Aipassa or Ulf Sill are
going to read this email but maybe reach out to them on Facebook. They
likely know many European sources. 

There are a few other folks propagating Trilliums in the US, even some at
the wholesale level I am told. However, before you get your hopes up Colin,
I am unaware of "any" that don't easily sell out quickly to "existing"
customers.

> 
> Ps. Not that you would intentionally but please don't buy from people who
are going to pilfer the woods. I live in North Carolina and rather like
seeing them in the woods. 

Interesting caution and appropriate, but my guess is the only sources of
"wholesale" trilliums at a price Colin would be willing to pay would be from
folks that are collecting.

I recently contacted a nursery in the UK to request shipment of Trillium
(retail) to Oregon and was told somewhat curtly, NO way, just too much
hassle. I was not surprised as that has been the typical response from
nurseries in that part of the world. BUT, I have to recognize that many US
nurseries will NOT ship to Oregon, again because of the hassle.

Back to Colin's original request, my suspicion is that there are few
"growers" with enough propagated stock to make it worth their time to ship
wholesale overseas at a reasonable price. Good Luck.

Best,
Russ



Russell Graham, Purveyor of Plants, Salem, OR, Zone 8 (7)


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:04:44 -0500
From: Chris Wetmore <chriscwetmore at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Trillium-l] Exporting Trilliums to Uk
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Russ,

"Controlled efforts" is an interesting way to put it. Now what makes
something a controlled effort? Can it be an enthusiast or a university or a
nursery operation? What are the odds  someone knows about controlled efforts
or can read about them online? An enthusiast isn't telling anyone except
maybe their circle of friends. A university is hush hush and a prime example
is NC State with their Mountain Horticultural & Research Center. Sure NC
State will show you the final product in the garden center and they may
publish a paper on it but there surely aren't telling anyone what they are
doing. By the way they have made some amazing plants. 

It is my opinion, that there is more interest and enthusiast hybridizing in
Europe with trilliums. I came to this opinion based on what I have seen at
the collector level. I don't have a fact sheet with charts to prove it.
Cypripedium hybridizing is also much more advanced in Europe. Tissue culture
cypripediums is taking hold in the US but the top cypripedium hybridizing is
coming out of Europe with the Werner Frosch hybrids. That holds true, again
my opinion, for many cold hardy woodland plants. 

Now say we are talking about the US. Evergreen azaleas, rhododendrons, and
magnolias dominate many hybridizing efforts. Primarily by enthusiasts as
well as universities. Here it is also my opinion that the best hybridizing
occurs at the enthusiast level. Now that enthusiast may turn into a business
etc but it starts with enthusiasts. Buddy Lee did that with Encore azaleas.
Augie Kehr, in retirement 20-30 years ago, created many magnolia and
rhododendron hybrids that are highly sought after today. 

So while I am not saying you are incorrect that there you aren't aware of
any "controlled efforts" in trillium hybridizing. But how do you know there
isn't any occurring? Most hybridizers have a goal in mind. They release
their plants when they reach that goal or stumble upon a superior plant.
This often takes several generations. With trillium after waiting for
several generations you may lose the hybridizer before you reach a goal. 

What trillium were you wanting to purchase in the UK? Was it not available
in the US?

Chris 
Maiden, NC


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> On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Russell Graham <eldergrahams at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris and Colin,
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Chris Wetmore wrote:
>> 
>> Colin,
>> 
>> In my humble opinion trillium hybridizing and growing seems to be much
further along in Europe.
> 
> I am curious as to what information drives your opinion about hybridizing
Chris. I tend to agree about the "growing," but I am unaware of "any"
controlled efforts at hybridizing (anywhere actually).
> 
>> The one exception would be Plant Delights in the US. Check out the
trillium group on Facebook and I don't know if John Aipassa or Ulf Sill are
going to read this email but maybe reach out to them on Facebook. They
likely know many European sources. 
> 
> There are a few other folks propagating Trilliums in the US, even some at
the wholesale level I am told. However, before you get your hopes up Colin,
I am unaware of "any" that don't easily sell out quickly to "existing"
customers.
> 
>> 
>> Ps. Not that you would intentionally but please don't buy from people who
are going to pilfer the woods. I live in North Carolina and rather like
seeing them in the woods. 
> 
> Interesting caution and appropriate, but my guess is the only sources of
"wholesale" trilliums at a price Colin would be willing to pay would be from
folks that are collecting.
> 
> I recently contacted a nursery in the UK to request shipment of Trillium
(retail) to Oregon and was told somewhat curtly, NO way, just too much
hassle. I was not surprised as that has been the typical response from
nurseries in that part of the world. BUT, I have to recognize that many US
nurseries will NOT ship to Oregon, again because of the hassle.
> 
> Back to Colin's original request, my suspicion is that there are few
"growers" with enough propagated stock to make it worth their time to ship
wholesale overseas at a reasonable price. Good Luck.
> 
> Best,
> Russ
> 
> 
> 
> Russell Graham, Purveyor of Plants, Salem, OR, Zone 8 (7)
> 
> 
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