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John,
I've often had pods on the Paint Creek, but there are never any seeds. =The stamens being petiolate, you don't get any pollen so that must have =come from elsewhere.  The assumption then being that you will have variat=ion in the progeny, if indeed you get any viable seed. The Pink ones do c=ome true.

John H, Hampshire England,(zone8-9) with 50mm rain in the past 24 hours=after the driest April on record.  The Trillium are nearly over but the =Dysosmas(Podophyllums) and Paris are looking good.

John T Lonsdale <john at JOHNLONSDALE.NET> wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#V=ML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#=VML);}        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                The b=loodroot seeds ripen and are dispersed very quickly.  The capsules split =when still gray-green, so if you wait until they turn yellow then you=92l=l be too late.  If you give the pod a light squeeze the seams will split =if they are ripe enough, then just collect them all.  The seeds are a mid=-brown color and have an aril.  I sow them in the ground wherever I want =the babies =96 sowing them in pots results in very poor germination even =if sown fresh.  They germinate with abandon in the garden, probably becau=se they need GA3 or something similar.

John Gyer is the expert on Trillium seed ripeness/germination =96 you c=an search the archives and find many of his very informative postings.  I=n a nutshell =96 here Trillium grandiflorum and nivale ripen way ahead of=the rest, the grandiflorum capsule dehisces at exactly the moment you le=ast expect it and is gone if you are not careful.  The majority of the se=ssiles are ripe here in early July, the capsule (or berry of you prefer) =comes off the pedicel very easily when they are ready, but again beware t=he beasties taking the seeds, they can be gone quickly.  Once I start col=lecting them I do them all and it seems to work OK, most are probably sli=ghtly under-ripe when I collect them.  The eastern pedicellates ripen sev=eral weeks later.  As long as the seeds are a honey brown color in the ca=psule they are OK to collect.

J.

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From: Trillium Enthusiast Discussion List (and other Woodland plants) [=mailto:TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Marcia Brown Meigs
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [TRILLIUM-L] Sanguinaria forms from seed


Hello John,



Someone wants seed from me but I feel that the pods still look rather=green.  Could you describe how to tell when one can crack open the pods =and find seed ready to go.



I often have trouble deciding when I should remove seed from trillium=s and would appreciate hints.





Also wonder how far ahead of full ripeness one could pick trillium se=ed and have it develop fully inside the seed case.  As I will be out of t=own most of the month of June I have problems getting seed for myself and=exchanges.



Cheerio,

Marcia Brown Meigs  Ithaca, New York, USA  Perfect weather for the Me=morial Day





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<div>John,</div>  <div>I've often had pods on the Paint Creek, but there =are never any seeds.&nbsp; The stamens being petiolate, you don't get any=pollen so that must have come from elsewhere.&nbsp; The assumption then =being that you will have variation in the progeny, if indeed you get any =viable seed. The Pink ones do come true.&nbsp;</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  =<div>John H, Hampshire England,(zone8-9) with 50mm rain in the past 24 ho=urs after the driest April on record.&nbsp; The Trillium are nearly&nbsp;=over but the Dysosmas(Podophyllums) and Paris&nbsp;are looking good.&nbsp=;<BR><BR><B><I>John T Lonsdale &lt;john at JOHNLONSDALE.NET&gt;</I></B> wrot=e:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-L=EFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <META content="Microsoft Wo=rd 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator>  <STYLE>  v\:* {behavior:url(#=default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#d=efault#VML);}  .shape
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Arial">The bloodroot seeds ripen and are dispersed very quickly.&nbsp; T=he capsules split when still gray-green, so if you wait until they turn y=ellow then you=92ll be too late.&nbsp; If you give the pod a light squeez=e the seams will split if they are ripe enough, then just collect them al=l.&nbsp; The seeds are a mid-brown color and have an aril.&nbsp; I sow th=em in the ground wherever I want the babies =96 sowing them in pots resul=ts in very poor germination even if sown fresh.&nbsp; They germinate with=abandon in the garden, probably because they need GA3 or something simil=ar.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=A=rial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; F=ONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>  <div class=Ms=oNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE=: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John Gyer is the expert on Trill=ium seed ripeness/germination =96 you can search the archives and
find many of his very informative postings.&nbsp; In a nutshell =96 here=Trillium grandiflorum and nivale ripen way ahead of the rest, the grandi=florum capsule dehisces at exactly the moment you least expect it and is =gone if you are not careful.&nbsp; The majority of the sessiles are ripe =here in early July, the capsule (or berry of you prefer) comes off the pe=dicel very easily when they are ready, but again beware the beasties taki=ng the seeds, they can be gone quickly.&nbsp; Once I start collecting the=m I do them all and it seems to work OK, most are probably slightly under=-ripe when I collect them.&nbsp; The eastern pedicellates ripen several w=eeks later.&nbsp; As long as the seeds are a honey brown color in the cap=sule they are OK to collect.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>  <div class==MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SI=ZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT=></div>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial
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w:st="on">Woodland</st1:place> plants) [mailto:TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.=NL] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Marcia B=rown Meigs<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monda=y, May 28, 2007 1:34 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN=></B> TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">S=ubject:</SPAN></B> Re: [TRILLIUM-L] Sanguinaria forms from seed</SPAN></F=ONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times N=ew Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPA=N></FONT></div>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color==black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:=Arial">Hello John,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV>  <div cla=ss=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="F=ONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN=></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FON=T-FAMILY: Arial">Someone wants seed from me but I feel that the pods stil=l look rather green.&nbsp; Could you describe how to tell when one can cr=ack open the pods and find seed ready to go.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></di=v></DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black =size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNor=mal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 1=0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I often have trouble deciding when=I should remove seed from trilliums and would appreciate hints.<o:p></o:=p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face==Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black=; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV> =<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;<o:p><=/o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face==Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: bl=ack; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also wonder how far ahead of full ripeness one c=ould pick trillium seed and have it develop fully inside the seed case.&n=bsp; As I will be out of town most of the month of June I have problems g=etting seed for myself and exchanges.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV=>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size==2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp=;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FO=NT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; CO=LOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheerio,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></=DIV>  <DIV>  <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size==2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ma=rcia
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