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From: John T Lonsdale <john at JOHNLONSDALE.NET>
Subject: Re: Sanguinaria forms from seed
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The bloodroot seeds ripen and are dispersed very quickly.  The capsules
split when still gray-green, so if you wait until they turn yellow then
you'll be too late.  If you give the pod a light squeeze the seams will
split if they are ripe enough, then just collect them all.  The seeds are=a
mid-brown color and have an aril.  I sow them in the ground wherever I wa=nt
the babies - sowing them in pots results in very poor germination even if
sown fresh.  They germinate with abandon in the garden, probably because
they need GA3 or something similar.



John Gyer is the expert on Trillium seed ripeness/germination - you can
search the archives and find many of his very informative postings.  In a
nutshell - here Trillium grandiflorum and nivale ripen way ahead of the
rest, the grandiflorum capsule dehisces at exactly the moment you least
expect it and is gone if you are not careful.  The majority of the sessil=es
are ripe here in early July, the capsule (or berry of you prefer) comes o=ff
the pedicel very easily when they are ready, but again beware the beastie=s
taking the seeds, they can be gone quickly.  Once I start collecting them=I
do them all and it seems to work OK, most are probably slightly under-rip=e
when I collect them.  The eastern pedicellates ripen several weeks later.
As long as the seeds are a honey brown color in the capsule they are OK t=o
collect.



J.



John T Lonsdale PhD
407 Edgewood Drive,
Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA

Home: 610 594 9232
Cell: 484 678 9856
Fax: 801 327 1266

Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at  <http://www.edgewoodgardens.ne=t/>
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net

USDA Zone 6b

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From: Trillium Enthusiast Discussion List (and other Woodland plants)
[mailto:TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Marcia Brown Meigs
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:34 PM
To: TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: [TRILLIUM-L] Sanguinaria forms from seed



Hello John,



Someone wants seed from me but I feel that the pods still look rather gre=en.
Could you describe how to tell when one can crack open the pods and find
seed ready to go.



I often have trouble deciding when I should remove seed from trilliums an=d
would appreciate hints.





Also wonder how far ahead of full ripeness one could pick trillium seed a=nd
have it develop fully inside the seed case.  As I will be out of town mos=t
of the month of June I have problems getting seed for myself and exchange=s.



Cheerio,

Marcia Brown Meigs  Ithaca, New York, USA  Perfect weather for the Memori=al
Day





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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><sp=an =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The bloodroot seeds ripen and are
dispersed very quickly.&nbsp; The capsules split when still gray-green, =
so if
you wait until they turn yellow then you&#8217;ll be too late.&nbsp; If =
you
give the pod a light squeeze the seams will split if they are ripe =
enough, then
just collect them all.&nbsp; The seeds are a mid-brown color and have an ==
aril.&nbsp;
I sow them in the ground wherever I want the babies &#8211; sowing them =
in pots
results in very poor germination even if sown fresh.&nbsp; They =
germinate with
abandon in the garden, probably because they need GA3 or something =
similar.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><sp=an =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><sp=an =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John Gyer is the expert on Trillium ==
seed
ripeness/germination &#8211; you can search the archives and find many =
of his
very informative postings.&nbsp; In a nutshell &#8211; here Trillium
grandiflorum and nivale ripen way ahead of the rest, the grandiflorum =
capsule
dehisces at exactly the moment you least expect it and is gone if you =
are not
careful.&nbsp; The majority of the sessiles are ripe here in early July, ==
the
capsule (or berry of you prefer) comes off the pedicel very easily when =
they
are ready, but again beware the beasties taking the seeds, they can be =
gone
quickly.&nbsp; Once I start collecting them I do them all and it seems =
to work
OK, most are probably slightly under-ripe when I collect them.&nbsp; The ==
eastern
pedicellates ripen several weeks later.&nbsp; As long as the seeds are a ==
honey
brown color in the capsule they are OK to =
collect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><sp=an =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><sp=an =
style='font-size:
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<p><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>John T Lonsdale PhD<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">407 Edgewood =
Drive</st1:address></st1:Street>,<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Exton</st1:City>, =
<st1:State w:st="on">Pennsylvania</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">19341</st1:PostalCode>, <st1:country-regio=n =
w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region></st1:place><br>
<br>
Home: 610 594 9232<br>
Cell: 484 678 9856<br>
Fax: 801 327 1266<br>
<br>
Visit &quot;<st1:place w:st="on">Edgewood</st1:place>&quot; - The =
Lonsdale
Garden at </span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'=><a
href="http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/"><font size=1 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.edgewoodgardens.=ne=
t</span></font></a><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>USDA Zone 6b</span></font><font =
color=navy><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Trillium Enthusiast Discussion List</st1:PersonName> (and =
other <st1:place
w:st="on">Woodland</st1:place> plants) =
[mailto:TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marcia Brown =
Meigs<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 28, =
2007 1:34 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
TRILLIUM-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [TRILLIUM-L=]
Sanguinaria forms from seed</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
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feel
that the pods still look rather green.&nbsp; Could you describe how to =
tell
when one can crack open the pods and find seed ready to =
go.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I often have trouble deciding when ==
I
should remove seed from trilliums and would appreciate =
hints.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Also wonder how far ahead of full
ripeness one could pick trillium seed and have it develop fully inside =
the seed
case.&nbsp; As I will be out of town most of the month of June I have =
problems
getting seed for myself and exchanges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><s=pan =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Marcia Brown Meigs&nbsp; Ithaca, =
<st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New York</st1:place></st1:State>, ==
USA&nbsp;
Perfect weather for the Memorial Day<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt'><font size=2 =
color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>See
what's free at <a =
href="http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503"
target="_blank" =
title="http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503">AOL.com</a>.
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