<div dir="ltr">Eric, sorry for the delay, I was in a not internet zone for last days. I understand the thing about a person that act as a "motor". it's always the same in every group that I had participate. If you think I can be of any use to you, just let me know!.<br><br>By the way, exist any seed this year? I plan to expand my greenhouse soon and would be marvelous start again with arisaema seeds. I have some other aroids but all of them are aquatic plants.<br><br>THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR EFFORT<div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br>Néstor D. Groel<br>Lórien Sistemas</div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mar, 12 abr 2022 a las 4:30, Gouda, E.J. (Eric) (<<a href="mailto:e.j.gouda@uu.nl">e.j.gouda@uu.nl</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Op 7-4-2022 om 06:59 schreef Néstor D.
Groel via Arisaema-L:<br>
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<div>Hello everyone, my name it's Néstor Groel and I'm living in
Patagonia Argentina.<br>
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First of all I apologize to everyone for not participating. As
soon as I started in this group I had an accident and my
youngest son died. That winter, between sorrow and pain, I
neglected my greenhouse and the cold destroyed a large part of
my plant collection. Orchids, carnivorous, aquatic, ferns and
of course my young arisaemas. None of them were important at
that time. Last years I was retired from groups and other
activities. By the time I started to get slightly out of the
deepest well of my life, the pandemic arrived and here we are.</div>
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<p>Hi Néstor,</p>
<p>Very sorry to hear about your son, that rips your world apart.<br>
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<div>I am old enough to have seen and used all types of groups
on the internet. I prefer these types of groups by email
(perhaps simple nostalgia?) but I recognize that they are
dying. <br>
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I don't like Facebook, I hardly ever log in, but it's true
that it works for a lot of people. I am in several WhatsApp
and Telegram groups that work very well if there are less than
one hundred members or so. <br>
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WEB forums are also very useful, I use them daily for
fishkeeping, microscopy and electronics. We can join perfectly
to an existing one (that any of you recommend) since we will
surely not be a burden for them.<br>
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But if you prefer, I can create a web forum and a web page
specifically for us, for the group, with a place for photos,
announcements or whatever you want. I have no problem, if you
give me a few days, I will do it. The site <a href="https://sadelplata.org" target="_blank">https://sadelplata.org</a> was
created a lot of years ago, and will be updated in next months
with new articles and activities, but it can work as a sample.
A website specific with species taxonomy treatment and general
information, with photos and all articles on web pages have
automatically created their corresponding PDF version. It has
a web forum attached for members or the general public. Using
something pre-existing is faster and simpler, but if you
prefer to have our own site we can build it together, you
would provide the information and I'll convert it to the web's
format.<br>
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<p>Thanks Néstor, but we do have our own domain and website:
<a href="https://arisaema-l.nl/" target="_blank">https://arisaema-l.nl/</a> and <a href="https://aroids.nl/" target="_blank">https://aroids.nl/</a> and I can easily
include a forum my self (I run an owned Linux server), but I do
not think that will make a difference. We even have our own
Gallery in FloraPix, but not much activity. This will not change
with a forum. What could help is a person that is the motor in
these things, like Ray was. I know mailman is not very user
friendly mail service and have bad archiving, but could work with
a person like that, even when old fashioned.<br>
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<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Eric<br>
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<div>I'm new to arisaema but not for other plants. I can't help
with seeds or knowledge about arisaema, but can contribute
with a web site. <br>
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<div>I want to contribute to something to avoid this group
extinction. I would like to thank you for the effort you have
made for years, tell me how I can help. I will collaborate in
whatever is needed.<br>
Thanks to all, sorry for my bad english.</div>
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14:22, Peter Taggart via Arisaema-L (<<a href="mailto:arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl" target="_blank">arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl</a>>)
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<div>Dear Eric, Christopher, and other AEG members.</div>
<div dir="auto">I have been unable to keep up with plant
interests over the past few years, and am nominally a
member of many plant groups on Facebook. I have not taken
part in them for several years and will not start again,
because of the blatant censorship of covid information,
and vaccine harms that has been carried out on Facebook,
and other platforms. They also perform a great deal of
nudging of various other agendas, basically good for
governments and large multinational companies, but very
destructive to society.
<div dir="auto">One forum which I used to frequent, and
hope to do so again, is the Scottish Rock Garden Club
Forum, which has sections and threads on many plant
groups. It is searchable, and indexed. I am sure that
the AEG could create a niche in a corner of that forum,
with the Scottish Rock Garden Club's blessings.</div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfca3d48040d5a23ef4883aca506034d&action=forum" target="_blank">https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cfca3d48040d5a23ef4883aca506034d&action=forum</a></div>
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I am now rescuing the remains of my bulb collection, after
10 years of neglect, and plan to expand it including the
growing of more aroids.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best wishes</div>
<div dir="auto">Peter.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 6 Apr 2022,
12:45 Christopher Gussman via Arisaema-L, <<a href="mailto:arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl" target="_blank">arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl</a>>
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A Facebook group may be the way to go, as photos can
be easily included with questions and discussions.
There is already one Arisaema Facebook group I bet
many members here are already a part of. In some
ways I miss the old forums and list serves but I
think they are becoming fossils in the cyber
museum. <br>
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AM, Gouda, E.J. (Eric) via Arisaema-L <<a href="mailto:arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">arisaema-l@lists.science.uu.nl</a>>
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<p>Dear AEG members,</p>
<p>It seems that the only activity left in our
group is the Seed Exchange, which is maybe
because of the use of our old fashioned email
discussion list. From the Archives we can
learn that there are little or no discussions
beside the SeedEx messages. We have our own
FloraPix Gallery that can be used to post
pictures, but also discuss plants. It is
really a pity that it has not been used much
over the last years.</p>
<p>My question is, should we switch to for
example Facebook with our group to activate
and modernize our group? Or are we becoming a
fossil group? Unfortunately Ray Stilwell
became too old and left the group in 2007, he
was the motor of the group and was not
replaced. I was involved in 1997 or maybe even
before and created the email list and started
organizing the website and SeedEx, which I run
for over 20 years now.</p>
<p>If we want to continue the group, I think we
need somebody like Ray who keeps the group
enthusiastic and going (live discussions
etc.). I could be involved for the website,
seed list and gallery if needed, but will be
not much longer in current position at the
Botanic Garden (1.5 year max, have reached the
age of 65 some time ago).</p>
<p>It is up to you, lets start discuss our
future now, before it is too late.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Eric<br>
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All the best, / Met vriendelijke groet,<br>
Eric<br>
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