<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3234" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3233">Thanks Colin. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3295" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3297" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3296">Not sure if engleri has both bisexual and "female only" plants or not. Do you know?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3308" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3310" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3309">The Gusman book has a reference to 7 leafed forms (as the illustration in the book shows on page 281, with leaves 6 and 7 being small) but evidently also there are 5 leafed forms of this species. Looking at the shapes of my leaves in the photo and comparing to the book illustration, these leaves shapes resemble engleri more than any other species in the large Pistillata Section.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3352" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3354" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3353">And because it came from Chen Yi, very unlikely it would be anything except a Chinese species, as I now understand those plants were mostly wild collected. Most species in that section are Japanese while 2 are North American (triphyllum, quinatum). </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3378" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3379" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3408">Charles Hunter</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3380" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3407">Smyrna, Georgia USA</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3235"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3268" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3267" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3266" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3265" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3269" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3270"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3483"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3482" style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> melissa <greatgardens@bigpond.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> '2csh' <2csh@bellsouth.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:02 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Arisaema-l] confirming ID of Chen Yi A-28<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531283222492_3468"><br><div id="yiv1054829689"><style>#yiv1054829689 #yiv1054829689 --
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#yiv1054829689 </style><div><div class="yiv1054829689WordSection1"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From what is presented it looks like A.engleri to me Charles.</span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Mine has slightly serrated edges to the leaflets but this is a variable characteristic.</span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">If your flower was bisexual then there would only need to be one plant for seed set, often good seed set from these flowerings.</span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">If it only had female organs then you have most likely a hybrid, which would still be interesting to grow.</span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards Colin</span></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1054829689yqt0476008131" id="yiv1054829689yqt65167"><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; border-image: none;"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt;"> arisaema-l-bounces@lists.science.uu.nl [mailto:arisaema-l-bounces@lists.science.uu.nl] <b>On Behalf Of </b>2csh via Arisaema-L<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 July 2018 8:30 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy Aroids<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Arisaema-l] confirming ID of Chen Yi A-28</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal"> </div><div><div id="yiv1054829689"><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2522"><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2706"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have grown this plant since 2007, originally ordered from Chen Yi Nursery in China as A-28 (they IDd it as A. sikokianum var. serratum, but we know their IDs are often wrong). </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2735"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2736"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The first picture taken April 7th is a bit out of focus on the bloom, but shows shape and color. Second one I took of the leaves today from above. The plant has finally decided to make what might be a viable seed pod if it survives till fall. I expect I might have enough to share with the AEG seed exchange but want to make sure of the ID.</span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2793"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2794"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I was told by a friend that this Chen Yi number is A. engleri, and that is consistent with the ID table that the group has where in 2000 Bonaventure Magrys posted some pictures of his A-28 blooming potted plants on the site and Guy Gusman confirmed that they were engleri. </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2836"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2837"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">At first I was hesitant that mine was engleri as my blooms (and this year's seed pod) are always held UNDER the leaves, unlike Bonaventure's picture, but then I read in my Gusman book (p. 291) that the blooms are above the leaves in male plants, but at or under leaf level in female plants. To my knowledge, this is the only possible A. engleri I have. Would there need to be both male and female for seed production in this species? I know that this is not required for others. </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2662"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2663"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Can anyone confirm that this is in fact Arisaema engleri? At the top of page 291 of the Gusman book he says it is sometimes called A. sikokianum, var. serratum. </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2664"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2665"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thanks.</span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2666"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2671"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Charles Hunter</span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531261014517_2672"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Smyrna, Georgia USA</span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2720"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv1054829689yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1531260020336_2721"><div class="yiv1054829689MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>