Russell Coker cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET
Sat Mar 31 01:35:17 CEST 2007

You're right, but the point was that the Sino-Himalayans aren't the best
suited for ME.  Sure, it would be great to get some of the wide ranging ones
from some low elevation populations, but the chances of that are pretty
slim.  But trust me, I'm going to kill a bunch of them before I give up.  Of
the ones I bought 2 winters ago, several never even sprouted last spring.  I
figured they had rotted in the pots.  When I dumped out the soil there were
fat, healthy tubers so I planted them in the ground.  Concinnum is up about
6 inches now, but still nothing out of tortuosum.  We'll see how they do!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Chambers" <annechambers730 at BTINTERNET.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: hardyness

> Nepal and Tibet? - well, generally speaking you're right but some southern
> parts of both these countries are hot and humid.
> Anne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Coker" <cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: hardyness
>> Hi Steve.
>> I'd love to see some hardiness info too, but from the other direction.  I
>> often see plants listed as "hardy to zone 4", or whatever, but rarely are
>> the southern limits listed.  Sometimes I think that "the powers that be"
>> forget that we grow stuff down here too.
>> Here's what I've done, with varying degrees of success.  If its one I
>> like
> I
>> check it out in the Gusmans' book.  I still don't have the second
>> edition,
>> but it is on my list.  No, zones aren't listed in the book (at least the
>> first edition), but the native ranges are.  So anything that says Nepal,
>> Tibet or places like that are pretty much insured a quick death on the
> Gulf
>> Coast.  Common sense, right?  I look for ones from places with
>> subtropicalish climates - southern Japan, China, Thailand, Vietnam,
>> etc. -
>> as well as those from LOWER elevations.  Lower elevations translate to
>> warmer soils and humidity, and that is important for me.  The Gusmans
> often
>> describe the habitat too.  Some of the tropicals like firmbriatum grow on
>> limestone.  My soil is acidic, so I planted them with old broken pieces
>> of
>> mortar.  Hopefully, this will make them happier.  By the way, I've given
> up
>> on pots, everything is now in the ground - for better or worse.
>> On the Plant Delights website, Tony has the climate maps of Japan and
> China.
>> These are somewhat helpful, but you have to be careful.  The area I lived
>> while in Japan is clearly shown as zone 8.  The first winter I was there
> it
>> snowed up to my knees and the koi pond froze over so solidly I could walk
>> across it, and it stayed that way.  I was one unhappy - and cold -
>> camper.
>> I'm not even sure if zone 7 gets that cold, but for zone 8(b) here, we
>> had
>> only 3 dips below 30 degrees this past winter, and none last winter.  Of
> all
>> of the Arisaemas I could have brought home, I suppose that I was lucky to
>> bring home ringens.  It is not picky, from places with a climate and
>> elevation almost exactly like mine, and easy to grow.  I can't tell you
> how
>> happy it makes me to have at least one Arisaema that reliably grows,
> blooms
>> and multiplies year after year.  Hopefully, I'm on the right track with a
>> few new ones and I'll have similar luck with them.
>> Russell Coker
>> Mobile, Alabama
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Hatfield" <sehatfield at INSIGHTBB.COM>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:46 AM
>> Subject: hardyness
>> > Hello all
>> >
>> > Is there a list of Arisaema somewhere that gives the zone or minimum
> temp
>> > for most of the varieties?
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
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