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Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds
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APHIS doesn't seem to have covered this base.  Thanks for the info. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Molly Day 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds


Oh, we bring home bulbs and seeds from Europe and put them right on =
our customs card in the plane. 

Where have I been? I've been to Europe and back! Thanks for asking.
Martha in Muskogee USA

Adam Fikso <adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET> wrote:
You still have to get them into the country.  And you'd have to =
declare them at customs.  You can't bring them in just because you want =
to. If you get caught violating the rule, it could cost you jail time, =
AND a fine of up to $10 K  New law-- courtesy of Homeland Security. =
Where have you been?   

n ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Molly Day 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds


As a recent joiner to the list, this conversation has made me =
wonder if ordering seeds from Seed-X is worth the trouble - though I'm =
sure the resulting plants are unique and fabulous.

Just as a thought, the group could simply send someone from the =
U.S. to Europe to get the seeds and then the seeds could be mailed =
within the US.

I would, of course, volunteer to be the courier.
Martha in Muskogee USA

"S.Cox" <snalice at DSLEXTREME.COM> wrote:
Hello All,

I was able to talk to Carolyn this afternoon about needing to =
send postage to get seeds from certain inspection centers.  The one =
thing in our conversation that I managed to somewhat grasp is that there ==
are three protocols governing the process of mailing seeds that apply =
here and they are not in agreement.  I didn't quite get who all are, but ==
US Postal service and PPQ were mentioned.  As it stands, at least for LA ==
and San Francisco, we are required to either pick the package up, or =
have an account with UPS or any other mail service, or send postage.  =
She directed me to Bill Wilsella (sp?) her team leader, at 301-734-0755 =
and said he could explain some.  She also directed me to 'Enclosure 2', =
which did not come in my permit packet (she is now sending it to me).  =
That enclosure has directions for mailing plant quarantine materials =
under permit.  I won't understand how this relates until I can read it.  ==
I have a hard time understanding the whole process, but what I am =
getting is that this whole thing is in a mess.  And Carolyn said it's =
going to get worse.  

Susan    




Martha Stoodley
Muskogee Oklahoma
U.S. Cold hardiness zone 6b/7a

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007==
5:29 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Help with =
collecting 
seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Oh, we bring home bulbs and seeds from Europe and put them right =
on our 
customs card in the plane. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Where have I been? I've been to Europe and back! Thanks for =
asking.</DIV>
<DIV>Martha in Muskogee USA<BR><BR><B><I>Adam Fikso &lt;<A 
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href="mailto:adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET">adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET</A>&gt;=</=
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<DIV>You still have to get them into the country.&nbsp; And you'd =
have to 
declare them at customs.&nbsp; You can't bring them in just because =
you want 
to.&nbsp;If you get caught violating the rule, it could cost you =
jail time, 
AND a fine of up to $10 K&nbsp; New law-- courtesy of Homeland 
Security.&nbsp;Where have you been? &nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>n&nbsp;----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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Day</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, ==
2007 4:37 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Help with =
collecting 
seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As a recent joiner to the list, this conversation has made me ==
wonder 
if ordering seeds from Seed-X is worth the trouble - though I'm =
sure the 
resulting plants are unique and fabulous.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Just as a thought, the group could simply send someone from =
the U.S. 
to Europe to get the seeds and then the seeds&nbsp;could be mailed ==
within 
the US.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I would, of course, volunteer to be the courier.</DIV>
<DIV>Martha in Muskogee USA<BR><BR><B><I>"S.Cox" 
&lt;snalice at DSLEXTREME.COM&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was able to talk to Caroly=n =
this 
afternoon about needing to send postage to get seeds from =
certain 
inspection centers.&nbsp; The one thing in our conversation that ==
I 
managed to somewhat grasp is that there are three protocols =
governing 
the process of mailing seeds&nbsp;that apply here&nbsp;and =
they&nbsp;are 
not in agreement.&nbsp; I didn't quite get who all are, but US =
Postal 
service and PPQ were mentioned.&nbsp; As it stands, at least for ==
LA and 
San Francisco, we are required to either pick the package up, or ==
have an 
account with UPS or any other mail service, or send =
postage.&nbsp; She 
directed me to Bill Wilsella (sp?) her team leader, at =
301-734-0755 and 
said he could explain some.&nbsp; She also directed me to =
'Enclosure 2', 
which did not come in my permit packet (she is now sending it to ==

me).&nbsp; That enclosure has directions for mailing plant =
quarantine 
materials under permit.&nbsp; I&nbsp;won't understand how this =
relates 
until I can read it.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have a hard time understanding ==
the 
whole process, but what I am&nbsp;getting is that&nbsp;this =
whole thing 
is in a mess.&nbsp;&nbsp;And Carolyn said it's going to get 
worse.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Susan&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Martha Stoodley</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Muskogee Oklahoma</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>U.S. Cold hardiness zone =
6b/7a</FONT></DIV>
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