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Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds
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Too, the people I am talking to at Hawthorne, might not have it right =
yet. I got the impression that he was not really wanting to talk about =
it as he stated that he was in a hurry and couldn't talk for =
long....which could have been true too. Is it possible to look over the ==
international postal convention laws concerning the distribution of =
imported seed packages?....(not that I would understand them).
Thanks,
Susan
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Fikso
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds
Susan. This is interesting because they are apparently in violation =
of the international postal convention which governs this matter and =
states clearly that the package after inspection "shall be returned to =
the mails". It doesn't say, held for additional postage for =
forwarding..or anything like that. They are not behaving as the other =
inspection stations do. I would write Carolyn Fitzgerald at USDA
----- Original Message -----
From: S.Cox
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds
Eric, I called USDA in Hawthorne today. This is what I was told. =
The Los Angeles Postmaster will not allow packages to be 'sent on' once =
recieved by an inspections center even though an address sticker is =
included to be put on the package for delivery. Evidently, this is =
understood by all departments involved in this process. I will be =
contacting Carolyn to see if a person can change their inspection =
centers. My seeds have been sent, however. LA Postmaster was one of =
the few who would not accept the agreement with USDA...or the Permit =
Unit...I'm not sure with whom the agreement was made. So that's that. =
Maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger can clear this up.
Eric, thanks for the seeds.
Susan
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Gouda
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Help with collecting seeds
ARISAEMA-L automatic digest system schreef:
Subject: Help with collecting seeds
> I recently placed an order with the SeedEx and the USDA called to =
tell me
that my green and yellow labels should arrive within a week. If I =
understand
correctly, I send some labels to the SeedEx address, which is the same
address for sending seeds too.
John Roemer
John,
There is something you might want to look in to when ordering seed from =
out
of the country (seed-x). If 'your' address is not added to your seed
package (along with the green and yellow sticker) when they are posted =
to
mail, you will not receive the seeds. Instead, they will be held at =
USDA
Inspections until either you are notified by phone, or you call to see =
if
they came in (if they, for some reason, can't reach you). I know this =
seems
a stupid statement, but there's a catch. The permit unit instructs =
"Please
adhere to all instructions on the back of labels. DO NOT PLACE ANY =
OTHER
DELIVERY ADDRESS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PACKAGE".
My seeds did not arrive here so I called the inspection center to =
inquire
about my package. It was in, and they had tried to contact me by phone ==
but
couldn't catch me. His Susan,
This message is a little bit confusing to me. Yes, this was in the ==
instructions, so only the green/yellow label were on the outside of the =
package and a self adhesive address label of the final destination was =
on the inside (connected to the permit). Didn't they find the label =
inside?
Had I not called, they would have disposed of my package
within about a week because they have no way to store unclaimed =
packages.
The final destination address (my address) was not on the package. The
person I talked to said that the way it 'used' to work is that the final
delivery address was on the package along with the inspection sticker, =
Do they read their own rules?????
and
after being inspected, it would be sent on to it's final =
destination...no
charge. He was not totally familiar with the new rule, in fact, he =
didn't
even seem to understand what it was and so had me read it to him. =
After
hearing it, he said that he would be talking to his supervisor about it.
They are now receiving packages with the sticker addresses being the =
final
destination (USDA Inspection Centers) and are having to inform people by
phone that their package has arrived and that they will need to send =
stamps
to cover postage to the final destination...you. He suggested =
contacting
Carolyn Fitzgerald at the Permit Unit (301-734-8447 or 8332 if the first
number doesn't get through) to discuss what is actually expected, and if
it's a fact that a second address (final destination) is not to be put =
on
the outside of the package. Inspections can not override the permit =
unit
and so can't forward packages not accompanied with a final destination
address, and must request additional postage to be sent on to you. That ==
is not true! They agreed with the postal service that after the check, =
the seeds could be forwarded on the same postage.
Eric
You will
be expected to send stamps to your inspection center to cover postage. =
For
the moment, I don't have that answer because I could not contact =
Fitzerald
today. USDA Inspections seemed a bit concerned with this new rule
mentioning that the result is that at least some importers will be =
paying
for postage twice before receiving goods.
This is the best I can explain it. I know there were others who had not
received their seeds. If you are still wondering where they are, you =
might
give your inspection center a call.
Thanks to all those involved in the seed exchange. I will be getting my
seeds soon.
Susan Cox
--
My email address has been changed to:
____ ____ E.J.Gouda at uu.nl _ =
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl
/ ___|_ __(_) __ / ___| ___ _ _ __| | __ _ Tel.:+31(0)30 =
2539281
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Harvardlaan 2
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Utrecht
\____|_| |_|\__| \____|\___/ \___/ \__,_|\__,_| THE NETHERLANDS =
(NL)
Curator of UNIVERSITY BOTANIC GARDENS, PO Box 80.162, NL-3508 TD =
UTRECHT
\ Listowner: Alpine-L Arisaema-L Brom(elia)-L Aeonium-L Passiflora-L ==
/
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too, the people I am talking to at =
Hawthorne, might
not have it right yet. I got the impression that he was not really ==
wanting
to talk about it as he stated that he was in a hurry and couldn't talk =
for
long....which could have been true too. Is it possible to =
look
over the international postal convention laws concerning the=
distribution of imported seed packages?....(not that I would =
understand
them). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Susan</FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET =
href="mailto:adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET">Adam
Fikso</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 =
3:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Help with =
collecting
seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Susan. This is interesting because they are =
apparently in
violation of the international postal convention which governs =
this
matter and states clearly that the package after inspection "shall be =
returned
to the mails". It doesn't say, held for additional postage for=
forwarding..or anything like that. They are not behaving as the =
other
inspection stations do. I would write Carolyn Fitzgerald =
at
USDA</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=snalice at DSLEXTREME.COM
href="mailto:snalice at DSLEXTREME.COM">S.Cox</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 05, 2007==
4:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Help with =
collecting
seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric, I called USDA in Hawthorne==
today.
This is what I was told. The Los =
Angeles Postmaster will not
allow packages to be 'sent on' once recieved by an inspections =
center even
though an address sticker is included to be put on the package for=
delivery. Evidently, this is understood by all departments =
involved in
this process. I will be contacting Carolyn to see if a person =
can
change their inspection centers. My seeds have been sent,
however. LA Postmaster was one of the few who would not =
accept
the agreement with USDA...or the Permit Unit...I'm =
not sure with
whom the agreement was made. So that's that. Maybe =
Arnold
Schwarzenegger can clear this up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric, thanks for the =
seeds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Susan</FONT></DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=e.j.gouda at UU.NL href="mailto:e.j.gouda at UU.NL">Eric==
Gouda</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 05, =
2007 6:28
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Help with =
collecting
seeds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>ARISAEMA-L automatic digest system schreef:
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=mid:ARISAEMA-L%25200706030000122730.62A7 at NIC.SURFNET.NL
type="cite"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Subject: Help with =
collecting seeds
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
> I recently placed an order with the SeedEx and the USDA called to =
tell me
that my green and yellow labels should arrive within a week. If I =
understand
correctly, I send some labels to the SeedEx address, which is the same
address for sending seeds too.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">John Roemer
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
John,
There is something you might want to look in to when ordering seed from =
out
of the country (seed-x). If 'your' address is not added to your seed
package (along with the green and yellow sticker) when they are posted =
to
mail, you will not receive the seeds. Instead, they will be held at =
USDA
Inspections until either you are notified by phone, or you call to see =
if
they came in (if they, for some reason, can't reach you). I know this =
seems
a stupid statement, but there's a catch. The permit unit instructs =
"Please
adhere to all instructions on the back of labels. DO NOT PLACE ANY =
OTHER
DELIVERY ADDRESS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PACKAGE".
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=mid:ARISAEMA-L%25200706030000122730.62A7 at NIC.SURFNET.NL
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">My seeds did not arrive here so I ==
called the inspection center to inquire
about my package. It was in, and they had tried to contact me by phone ==
but
couldn't catch me. </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>His Susan,<BR><BR>This message is ==
a
little bit confusing to me. Yes, this was in the instructions, so =
only the
green/yellow label were on the outside of the package and a self =
adhesive
address label of the final destination was on the inside =
(connected to the
permit). Didn't they find the label inside?<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=mid:ARISAEMA-L%25200706030000122730.62A7 at NIC.SURFNET.NL
type="cite"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=mid:ARISAEMA-L%25200706030000122730.62A7 at NIC.SURFNET.NL
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Had I not called, they would have ==
disposed of my package
within about a week because they have no way to store unclaimed =
packages.
The final destination address (my address) was not on the package. The
person I talked to said that the way it 'used' to work is that the final
delivery address was on the package along with the inspection sticker, =
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Do
they read their own rules?????<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=mid:ARISAEMA-L%25200706030000122730.62A7 at NIC.SURFNET.NL
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">and
after being inspected, it would be sent on to it's final =
destination...no
charge. He was not totally familiar with the new rule, in fact, he =
didn't
even seem to understand what it was and so had me read it to him. =
After
hearing it, he said that he would be talking to his supervisor about it.
They are now receiving packages with the sticker addresses being the =
final
destination (USDA Inspection Centers) and are having to inform people by
phone that their package has arrived and that they will need to send =
stamps
to cover postage to the final destination...you. He suggested =
contacting
Carolyn Fitzgerald at the Permit Unit (301-734-8447 or 8332 if the first
number doesn't get through) to discuss what is actually expected, and if
it's a fact that a second address (final destination) is not to be put =
on
the outside of the package. Inspections can not override the permit =
unit
and so can't forward packages not accompanied with a final destination
address, and must request additional postage to be sent on to you. =
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>That
is not true! They agreed with the postal service that after the =
check, the
seeds could be forwarded on the same postage.<BR><BR>Eric<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=mid:ARISAEMA-L%25200706030000122730.62A7 at NIC.SURFNET.NL
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">You will
be expected to send stamps to your inspection center to cover postage. =
For
the moment, I don't have that answer because I could not contact =
Fitzerald
today. USDA Inspections seemed a bit concerned with this new rule
mentioning that the result is that at least some importers will be =
paying
for postage twice before receiving goods.
This is the best I can explain it. I know there were others who had not
received their seeds. If you are still wondering where they are, you =
might
give your inspection center a call.
Thanks to all those involved in the seed exchange. I will be getting my
seeds soon.
Susan Cox</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><PRE class=moz-signature =
cols="300">--
My email address has been changed to:
____ ____ <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href="mailto:E.J.Gouda at uu.nl">E.J.Gouda at uu.nl</A> _ <A =
class=moz-txt-link-freetext =
href="http://botu07.bio.uu.nl">http://botu07.bio.uu.nl</A>
/ ___|_ __(_) __ / ___| ___ _ _ __| | __ _ Tel.:+31(0)30 =
2539281
| |__ | '__| |/ _| | | _ / _ \| | | |/ _` |/ _` | Office: =
Harvardlaan 2
| |___| | | | (_ | |_| | (_) | |_| | (_| | (_| | NL - 3584 CV =
Utrecht
\____|_| |_|\__| \____|\___/ \___/ \__,_|\__,_| THE NETHERLANDS =
(NL)
Curator of UNIVERSITY BOTANIC GARDENS, PO Box 80.162, NL-3508 TD =
UTRECHT
\ Listowner: Alpine-L Arisaema-L Brom(elia)-L Aeonium-L Passiflora-L ==
/
\__ Bulbs-L Penstemon-L Trillium-L (@Nic.SurfNet.NL) & =
FloraPix.nl __/
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