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From: Liz Smith <LizS652 at COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom
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I have 5 Dracunculus vulgaris blooming, now.  I've had my oldest for at
least 6 years, the others three.  I live in Villanova, PA,  Zone 6b.  I =
have
2 in full sun, lousy soil, on an incline.  Two are in morning sun, lousy
soil which is only watered by Mother Nature.  They are in a bed with my
quarantined Arum iItalicans. One is in lousy soil, on an incline, under =
an
Atlantic Cedar, in complete shade. It has three stems and is 52" high =
which
includes one spathe which isn't open yet. The largest spathe is 26 =
inches
long.  It is in the full sun.  Our soil here is largely acid.

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From: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy
Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Adam Fikso
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:27 PM
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom

Thanks for prompt answer.  I know the geodic soil you speak of in =
southern
Indiana.  Sticky when wet, lousy drainage, except that you're on a hill, ==
so
most of it drains off.  Not unlike the the  soil in western Turkey where
these things are native, and where one of the big wholesale nurseries =
is.  I
suspect that the other important parameter is the sun exposure.  Mine =
may
not have gotten enough. I didn't want to plant the stinkers too close to ==
the
bedroom window.  Adam Fikso in Glenview, USDA Zone 5a

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Stacy  <mailto:sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU> Holtzman 
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom

Adam,

I think the location is really important, but temperature doesn=92t see=m =
to be
the factor.  I bought five Dracunculus [bulbs? Tubers?] three years ago =
and
of the five, one didn=92t survive at all (it was planted next to the =
house on
the south side), three are doing okay but are still small and kind of =
weak
(they are in different spots in the garden), and this one that has done =
well
is on the side of a very steep bank on the south side of the gardens =
outside
of our driveway, gets a lot of sun but a lot of wind/weather exposure, =
but
excellent drainage.  It is in heavy red clay soil with geodes.  Maybe =
the
red clay with excellent drainage is the key.

Stacy Holtzman

Bloomington Drosophila Stock Center

Biology Dept., Jordan Hall A512

1001 E. Third St.

Bloomington, IN  47405-3700

Phone: 812-855-5782

Fax: 812-855-2577

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From: Arisaema Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy
Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf Of Adam Fikso
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:11 PM
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Subject: Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - first bloom

Stacy?  What sort of soil and pre-wintering treatment do you give it?    ==
.
I've tried it here in the Chicago area a few times and it's never =
survived a
mild winter with only 2 days of 0=B0 F .  Sandy or gravelly soil =
perhaps?
Adam

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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2><SPAN 
class=625085919-07062006>I have 5 Dracunculus vulgaris blooming, =
now.&nbsp; I've 
had&nbsp;my oldest&nbsp;for at least 6 years, the others three.&nbsp; I =
live in 
Villanova, PA,&nbsp; Zone 6b.&nbsp; I have 2 in&nbsp;full sun, lousy =
soil, on an 
incline.&nbsp; Two are in morning sun, lousy soil which is only watered =
by 
Mother Nature.&nbsp; They are in a bed with my quarantined =
Arum&nbsp;iItalicans. 
One is in lousy soil, on an incline, under an Atlantic Cedar, in =
complete 
shade.&nbsp;It has three stems&nbsp;and is 52" high which includes 
one&nbsp;spathe which isn't open yet.&nbsp;The largest spathe is 26 =
inches 
long.&nbsp; It is in the full sun.&nbsp; Our soil here is largely 
acid.</SPAN></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Arisaema Enthusiast Group =
(AEG) Discussion 
List (and other hardy Aroids) [mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] <B>On =
Behalf Of 
</B>Adam Fikso<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:27 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dracunculus vulgaris - =
first 
bloom<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for prompt answer.&nbsp; I know the geodic soil you speak of ==
in 
southern Indiana.&nbsp; Sticky when wet, lousy drainage, except that =
you're on a 
hill, so most of it drains off.&nbsp; Not unlike the the&nbsp;&nbsp;soil ==
in 
western Turkey where these things are native, and where one of the big =
wholesale 
nurseries is.&nbsp; I suspect that the other important parameter is the =
sun 
exposure.&nbsp; Mine may not have gotten enough. I didn't want to plant =
the 
stinkers too close to the bedroom window.&nbsp; Adam Fikso in Glenview, =
USDA 
Zone 5a</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<A title=sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU =
href="mailto:sholtzma at INDIANA.EDU">Stacy 
Holtzman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL 
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 07, 2006==
12:53 
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dracunculus =
vulgaris - first 
bloom</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN 
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><=SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think th=e =
location 
is really important, but temperature doesn=92t seem to be the =
factor.&nbsp; I 
bought five Dracunculus [bulbs? Tubers?] three years ago and of the =
five, one 
didn=92t survive at all (it was planted next to the house on the sout=h =
side), 
three are doing okay but are still small and kind of weak (they are in ==

different spots in the garden), and this one that has done well is on =
the side 
of a very steep bank on the south side of the gardens outside of our =
driveway, 
gets a lot of sun but a lot of wind/weather exposure, but excellent=2=0
drainage.&nbsp; It is in heavy red clay soil with geodes.&nbsp; Maybe =
the red 
clay with excellent drainage is the key.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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w:st="on">Drosophila</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName 
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w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT=2=0
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy==
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A512<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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w:st="on">IN</st1:State>&nbsp; <st1:PostalCode 
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Arisaema 
Enthusiast Group (AEG) Discussion List (and other hardy Aroids) 
[mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">On 
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Adam Fikso<BR><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 07, 2006==
1:11 
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL<BR><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Dracunculus =
vulgaris - first 
bloom</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext">Stacy?&nbsp; What sort o=f =
soil and 
pre-wintering treatment do you give it?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;. I've ==
tried 
it here in the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place 
w:st="on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City> area a few times and it's ==
never 
survived a&nbsp; mild winter with only 2 days of 0=B0 F .&nbsp; Sandy==
or 
gravelly soil perhaps?&nbsp; Adam<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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