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From: Russell Coker <cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: rot, charcoal and rhizomatum
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Hi Adam,

This is really useful information, and personally I've never heard anyone
mention the comet and aspirin soak tricks!

I'm eager to give them a try.

Thanks, Russell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Fikso" <irisman at AMERITECH.NET>
To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: rot, charcoal and rhizomatum

> Wash the damaged or bacterially invaded mushy spots with soap after
> debriding the diseased tissue.   Historically what was useful with iris=es
> is to clean and scrape  the area using  a spoon or similar tool down to
> what appears to be untouched tissue and pack the area with something li=ke
> Comet or a similar kitchen cleanser that releases chlorine when moist--=to
> kill any bacteria left in the surface area.  This will also dry  the ar=ea
> thoroughly and help the plant to form a callus to block further invasio=n.
>
> Presoaking the tuber with an aspirin dilution of one 325 mg aspirin tab=let
> per quart  might also help since it probably will stimulate the plant's
> immune system.  There is no reason for not using a 2x stronger dilution
> but no information on whether it would help.   I have not yet been able=to
> save an arisaema tuber with this, but then, I probably did not debride
> enough of the diseased tissue on the species I treated.    It would hav=e
> left nothing. I should have taken off the developing buds and kept them.
> (dahaiense tubers --2001)
>
> References for acetysalicylic acid to manage plant disease are on the
> web,. Keywords: aspirin, plant SAR, acetyl salicyclic acid, viral,
> Erwinia, arabidopsis.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Coker" <cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:12 AM
> Subject: rot, charcoal and rhizomatum
>
>
>> Hey David and Everyone,
>>
>> I've cleaned and treated the mushy spots from the A-145 tubers once, s=o
>> I'll do it again.   I'm using a fast draining soil mix consisting of
>> sifted pine bark and crushed red lava rock, so they aren't staying wet.
>> Any advice on mixing activated charcoal into the mix?  Also, I plan to
>> hit them with Subdue fungicide - it may not help but certainly won't
>> hurt.
>>
>> I'd also like to know if anyone has had any experiences with Chen Yi's
>> rhizomatum tubers.  Since foliage and roots were cut during the active
>> growth period, do they go dormant until next year or put up new foliag=e
>> like the tropical evergreens?
>>
>> Russell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scherberich David" <aroids at NUMERICABLE.FR>
>> To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: chen yi (and A-145)
>>
>>
>>>I received it a year ago ... potted immediately in a peat based
>>> compost with added sand and kept barely humid until it sprouted
>>> in Summer ... the leaf is still there ... I only water it once a
>>> while so that it doesn't dry out, the temperature in the
>>> greenhouse is minimum 10=B0C during daytime but it can sometimes
>>> fall to 7=B0C at night ... I don't know if it can stand cold
>>> temperatures but so far it is doing fine ... the Flora of China
>>> manuscript says "moist forest along stream; 300-900 m SE
>>> Yunnan", I don't know how cold it can get there in Winter time,
>>> 900m is not very high ...
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Russell Coker <cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET>:
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> How did you keep it from rotting?  When did you receive it and
>>>> did you pot
>>>> it immediately?
>>>>
>>>> Russell
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scherberich David" <aroids at NUMERICABLE.FR>
>>>> To: <ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:11 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: chen yi (and A-145)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I received it as well and it turned out to be an evergreen
>>>> > species of Amorphophallus, with unmottled pale green petiole
>>>> ...
>>>> > either A. pingbianensis or A. coaetaneus ...
>>>> >
>>>> > David Scherberich
>>>> >
>>>> > Selon Russell Coker <cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET>:
>>>> >
>>>> >> By the way...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I also received A-145 from Chen Yi.  She sent me 2
>>>> pictures,
>>>> >> one of a chain
>>>> >> of tubers (looks like dog poop), and the other of a plant
>>>> in
>>>> >> bloom.  I
>>>> >> forwarded these to Arno for help with an ID and he said
>>>> that
>>>> >> they were 2
>>>> >> different plants!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The plant in bloom is a Typhonium, and the tubers are an
>>>> >> Amorphophallus - most
>>>> >> likely Am. coaetaneus!  Chen Yi strikes again, if you've
>>>> >> ordered from her
>>>> >> you know its a crap shoot.  I'd like to know if you
>>>> received
>>>> >> something
>>>> >> different from me.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And, by the way, my 2 A-145's are in pots turning to mush
>>>> as I
>>>> >> write -
>>>> >> damnit!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Russell
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>   From: tony willis
>>>> >>   To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
>>>> >>   Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:05 AM
>>>> >>   Subject: chen yi
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   I have bought quite a few things over the last 3 years
>>>> >> including a couple of arisaem.My first year was awful as
>>>> the
>>>> >> plants arrive in December washed and very small.I was ill
>>>> >> prepared and made a mess of them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   Since then I have ordered paris primula dysosma
>>>> epimediums
>>>> >> and lots of gesneriads.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   They are all looking great and I am now propagating from
>>>> >> them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   It is true the names are a mess but there are lots of
>>>> >> goodies amongst them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   I think the last list was the 1994 one and nothing much
>>>> >> changes.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   Beware the prices are very cheap but the postage is
>>>> >> horrendous, you need to order a lot to make the unit price
>>>> >> reasonable.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   http://home.no.net/chenyi/index.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   The delete button has proved pretty useful this last few
>>>> >> days!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   Tony Willis
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   Chorley
>>>> >>   NW England
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>
>>