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From: Janelle Denny <jalgraha at YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Damaged arisaema
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A hail storm came through yesterday and shredded and choped up some of my=arisaema that were already up. Will the tuber and plant be OK next year =?
Thanks
Paul Denny
Adam Fikso <irisman at AMERITECH.NET> wrote:
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From: Janelle Denny
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Hail Storm
A hail storm came through today and shredded up lots of my arisaema's. =Will the tubers be OK next year ?
Thanks
Paul Denny
Adam Fikso <irisman at AMERITECH.NET> wrote:
I'm not sure about these things other than that drainage is the=key to most of the problems people have. I also make sure that they hav=e enough calcium or limestone chips (sieved to take out the dust) availab=le.
I lost only one tuber from Chen Yi this year out of about 25, (growing =indoors under lights because they were breaking dormancy) , but it was de=finitely because the medium was too wet. I thought that using cypress mu=lch would help solve the problems associated with pine mulch which rots t=oo quickly--and cypress does not rot in 50 years. Wrong idea ! It does=n't rot, but it retains way too much water.
Incidentally, I did NOT plant any of these when they were received in F=ebruary, but waited until they showed root growth budding. I kept them i=n paper bags and misted them once a day with the light on. Some are stil=l not yet planted. Adam in Glenview,IL USDA 5a
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From: Russell Coker
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: what's growing
Hey.
As Bonaventure noted, its not really safe to say "they grow so well so =far down south" just yet. Right now peonies and fuchsias would look grea=t here too! I know I'm pushing the envelope on a number of these I'm try=ing for a second time. Unless they set seed, they'll be dormant (hopeful=ly not dead) by July, maybe sooner. I'm hoping a radically different soi=l mix is going to help in that department. And as Tony mentioned, planti=ng at the base of trees makes perfect sense. The only Arisaemas I have i=n the ground now are my ringens and the are planted at the base of a huge=sago "tree". It acts like a big umbrella limiting the water that falls =on them and its root system adsorbs the moisture in the ground.
So here's my plan. I'll fertilize them with miracle gro and occasional=ly drench with subdue. I'm also gonna give them a booster shot of "messe=nger" as Ray recommended. As foliage withers I'll begin to let the soil =dry, but not too quickly as I noticed healthy roots even after the foliag=e was gone last year. Last year I set the pots on the ground against a w=all in deep shade where they stayed cool and away from my daily watering,=but he soil was too heavy and stayed too damp. I'll do the same this ye=ar with the new soil mix and keep a closer watch on them.
Below is a list of what I'm growing - or attempting to grow.
ringens, wattii, iyoanum ssp. nakaianum, engleri, ternatipartitum, cost=atum, kiushianum, saxatile, thunbergii ssp. urashima, flavum, candidissim=um (various colors), rhizomatum, fimbriatum, victoriae, barnsii, aff. gra=psospadix, griffithii, concinnum, consanguineum, tortuosum, intermedium, =speciosum, elephas var. handelii, ciliatum, franchetianum/fargesii, a cou=ple of unidentified tropicals and a few other mysteries from Chen Yi.
I'm open to any advice or thoughts anyone may have.
Russell
Mobile, AL 8b
----- Original Message -----
From: Bonaventure Magrys
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: what's growing
Wow, they grow so well so far down south. Obviously many Ari's most of =us grow are nearly subtropical, or subtropical-temperate, ie. on mountait=ops with cold but mild winters and temperate summers. Which leads me to m=y next question - They're doing fine now, but how do they hold up to your=oppressive summer heat and humidity?
Bonaventure
BTW seeds in! Yippeeee. All worries over (or at least one bright thing=going on in my life right now). I needed a little bit of Christmas once =again.
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<div>A hail storm came through yesterday and shredded and choped up some =of my arisaema that were already up. Will the tuber and plant be OK next =year ?</div> <div>Thanks<BR>Paul Denny<BR><BR><B><I>Adam Fikso <irism=an at AMERITECH.NET></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq sty=le="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid="> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LE=FT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BAC=KGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A ti=tle=jalgraha at YAHOO.COM href="mailto:jalgraha at YAHOO.COM">Janelle Denny=</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ARISAE=MA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L@=NIC.SURFNET.NL</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> F=riday, April 14, 2006 7:00 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>Subject:</B> Hail Storm</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>A hail st=orm came through today and shredded up lots of my arisaema's. &=nbsp;Will the tubers be OK next year ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tha=nks</DIV> <DIV>Paul Denny<BR><BR><B><I>Adam Fikso <<A href="mailto:=irisman at AMERITECH.NET">irisman at AMERITECH.NET</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>=<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.287=3" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV>I'm not sure about these th=ings other than that drainage is the key to most of the problems people h=ave. I also make sure that they have enough calcium or limesto=ne chips (sieved to take out the dust) available. </DIV> <DIV> </DI=V> <DIV>I lost only one tuber from Chen Yi this year out of about 25, (g=rowing indoors under lights because they were breaking dormancy) , but it=was definitely because the medium was too
wet. I thought that using cypress mulch would help solve the probl=ems associated with pine mulch which rots too quickly--and cypress does n=ot rot in 50 years. Wrong idea ! It doesn't rot, but it=retains way too much water.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Incidentally,=I did NOT plant any of these when they were received in February, but wa=ited until they showed root growth budding. I kept them in paper ba=gs and misted them once a day with the light on. Some are still not=yet planted. Adam in Glenview,IL USDA 5a</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> =<DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <D=IV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> =<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0=00000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; =FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET href="mailto:coke=rra at BELLSOUTH.NET">Russell Coker</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt ari=al"><B>To:</B> <A title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL href="mailto:ARISAE=MA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A> </DIV> <DIV style="=FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 14, 2006 10:36 AM</DIV> <DI=V style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: what's growing</DIV> <D=IV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hey.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As Bonaventure no=ted, its not really safe to say "they grow so well so far down south" jus=t yet. Right now peonies and fuchsias would look great here to=o! I know I'm pushing the envelope on a number of these I'm trying =for a second time. Unless they set seed, they'll be dormant (hopefu=lly not dead) by July, maybe sooner. I'm hoping a radically di=fferent soil mix is going to help in that department. And as Tony m=entioned, planting at the base of trees makes perfect
sense. The only Arisaemas I have in the ground now are my rin=gens and the are planted at the base of a huge sago "tree". It acts=like a big umbrella limiting the water that falls on them and its root s=ystem adsorbs the moisture in the ground. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=<DIV>So here's my plan. I'll fertilize them with miracle gro and =occasionally drench with subdue. I'm also gonna give them a booster=shot of "messenger" as Ray recommended. As foliage withers I'=ll begin to let the soil dry, but not too quickly as I noticed healthy ro=ots even after the foliage was gone last year. Last year I set the =pots on the ground against a wall in deep shade where they stayed cool an=d away from my daily watering, but he soil was too heavy and stayed too d=amp. I'll do the same this year with the new soil mix and keep a&nb=sp;closer watch on them. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Below =is a list of what I'm growing - or
attempting to grow. </DIV> <DIV> </DI=V> <DIV>ringens, wattii, iyoanum ssp. nakaianum, engleri, ternatipartitu=m, costatum, kiushianum, saxatile, thunbergii ssp. urashima, flavum,=candidissimum (various colors), rhizomatum, fimbriatum, victoriae, barns=ii, aff. grapsospadix, griffithii, concinnum, consanguineum, tortuosum, i=ntermedium, speciosum, elephas var. handelii, ciliatum, franchetianum/far=gesii, a couple of unidentified tropicals and a few other mysteries =from Chen Yi.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm open to any advice or th=oughts anyone may have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Russell</DIV> <DI=V>Mobile, AL 8b <BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PAD=DING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #00000=0 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- O=riginal Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10=pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=bonaventure at OPTONLINE.NET href="mailto:bonaventure at OPTONLINE.N=ET">Bonaventure Magrys</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:=</B> <A title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.S=URFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt=arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 14, 2006 9:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style="=FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: what's growing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DI=V> <DIV></DIV><B></B> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Wow, they =grow so well so far down south. Obviously many Ari's most of us grow are =nearly subtropical, or subtropical-temperate, ie. on mountaitops with col=d but mild winters and temperate summers. Which leads me to my next quest=ion - They're doing fine now, but how do they hold up to your oppressive =summer heat and humidity?</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Bonaventure</STRON=G></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>BTW seeds in! Yippeeee. A=ll worries over (or at least one bright thing going
on in my life right now). I needed a little bit of Christmas once again.=</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>=<BR> <div> <HR SIZE=1> Blab-away for as little as 1=A2/min. Make <A =href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd.ya=hoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com">PC-to-Phone Calls</A> using =Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
<hr size=1>Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone ca=lls. <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://=us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://beta.messenger.yahoo.com"> Great rate=s starting at 1¢/min.
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