Ray, I was being facetious. When I lived in Germany, the Germans never used the word "bastard" when talking about plants. It refers to illegitimate children so it isn't very polite and so "incorrect." George W. George Schmid Hosta Hill - Tucker Georgia USA Zone 7a - 1188 feet AMSL 84-12'-30" West_33-51' North Outgoing e-mail virus checked by NAV