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From: Eric Simpson <crat at CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Plant survival
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off-topic alert.
As a youngster in gardening (if not in years <sigh>), I will accept your =logic
regarding getting more than one plant of a species; something I'm already
trying to do with arisaemas (thanks be to the AEG and its phenomenal lead=ers.)
Now I'll throw myself on your (and other's) mercy and ask where I can fin=d
information on growing the terrestial orchids that Kaichen is offering (a=nd,
after seeing their web site, lust for.)  I'm willing to forego getting th=e one
of everything mentality in return for helping keep a fewer number of spec=ies
extant (and available to share), but do need the guidance of the "older" =hands.

Thanks much and please forgive the digression,
Eric Simpson

James W. Waddick wrote:

>  I only hope that people who buy these plants buy enough to ensure that
> they can get seed.  It is not good enough for us as collectors to have =one
> tuber of a species (that will
>  eventually die) just so that we can say "I've got it".  That is what t=he
> Zoos of old use to do.  Our duty to the plants we love is to make sure =they
> survive and thrive!
> Greg Ruckert
> To Greg and all;
>         Long term plant surivival is a very complex issues. Consider:
>         Today we have a wealth of plants from China and elsewhere which
> have NEVER or infrequently been brought into western gardens.
>         In the history of gardening, literally thousands of species and
> cultivars have been developed, found and are now lost.
>         The plant that is common today may be gone tommorrow.
>         I wonder if there is a list of plants which no longer survive
> except in gardens: Franklinia and Tecophilea come right to mind as 2 ge=nera
> which are thought to be extinct in nature.
>         Growing one of each is definitely not the answer and it is
> imperative we support collections and collectors who amass large number=s of
> indivudals of certain species and larger collections of species within =a
> genus to supply at least the garden trade. Serous gardeners need to thi=nk
> about garden populations, distribution of significant plant materials a=nd
> the survival of their own collections in 5 or 10 years time.
>         I suspect we will see increasing government regulations prohibi=ting
> more imports as some plants become increasing rare in the wild. And cer=tain
> plants such as many terrrestrial orchids with demanding growing conditi=ons,
> will all have a greater demand than supply and an inherently poor survi=val
> rate by the average gardener.
>         For the zoo manager it is relatively easy to find support for t=he
> 'cute and cuddly' giant panda, but who would save the stinking aroid an=d
> apetalous trillium?
>         Just some thoughts when you order one rare plant collected in t=he
> wild in China - that plant is taken from its native habit and dies in y=our
> garden, who wins? But if you spend some time on research and study and =make
> a point of ordering ten plants you have half a chance of growing
> successfully, then propagate and distribute seeds and plants;  everyone
> wins.
>         Enough soap box. Thanks Greg                    Jim W.
> James W. Waddick                        Voice: 816 746 1949
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