You are thinking about one of Wilbert Hetterscheid's photos that I posted on the Arisaema Page. Go look at: http://www.mdc.net/~rrh/arconsang2.jpg My guess is that this is an aberration caused by the way the tip was enclosed inside the stem, and could not be relied on to reoccur. --Roy Herold PS: Jim: I'm still making my dependant survey. Hang in there.